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Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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Post by overfeed »

rdtsc wrote: post #306
overfeed wrote: post #123

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What's the design? What's it made of? Where were the materials sourced? Why? Where was it made? Why? Was it supposed to be marked as potentially containing carcinogenics?

What's the design? -Don't know, it's a simple chair. What's it made of? -Wood and fiber. Where were the materials sourced? -No idea Why? -Why what? Where was it made? -Factory in a town over Why? -Is it the first "why" or a different one? Was it supposed to be marked as potentially containing carcinogenics? -Sorry don't follow this one. It's chair to sit on. I guess you were trying to show that this chair is about ju…

It sounds to me like you're starting from a position of "a chair is free of politics" and working backwards to justify that position. Without knowing where the materials came from, how can you declare it's free from politics, or perhaps you don't want to admit the possibility of it being imported, surrendering a toehold for an argument for trade and treaties.

What's considered "normal" for a chair in your corner of the world is determined by your history (and therefore politics). There are regulation that impact the materials and processes that go with making the chair, as well as quality

> Where was it made? -Factory in a town over

Why is the chair factory in the next town over and not your own? Is the factory unionized?

Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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Post by fixprix »

madeofpalk wrote: post #150
v3ss0n wrote: post #147

Hate all you want to Elon, you still need to credit to credit due.SpaceX did awesome Job.

I don't think Elon really had that much to do with this.

He had everything to do with it. If you can't tell by now, he wants to be involved in everything. Recognizing good ideas from bad ones and empowering the right engineers to do it is everything. Look at any of SpaceX's competitors or even other countries space programs to see what poor leadership looks like.

Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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Post by cryptonector »

PavleMiha wrote: post #185
cryptonector wrote: post #164

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Having a docked ship is not enough. There must be a docked ship on station at all times for evacuations. The thing that was needed was another ship to take some people back and not everyone (well, all but any Russians, since they have their own ships).

But Crew 10 had also been planned for a while, so the narrative that Trump ordered a new ship to go up "NOW" can't be true. For example, heres a post about NASA moving the launch date to March, in December last year: https://www.nasa.gov/blogs/commercialcrew/2024/12/17/nasa-ad...

This is definitely true. The only questions are: a) could they have gone back home on the retrofitted seats on Crew 8 or b) could there had been a Crew 10 sooner to allow them to go home on Crew 9 sooner. I don't really know what's up with those questions.

Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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Post by jasonlotito »

ergocoder wrote: post #346
jasonlotito wrote: post #286

It's important to remember that before Jan 20, 2025, the astronauts had a way home and had not been stranded by anyone. This is known and is a fact. Then, sometime after that date, Musk stranded them. Considering his working relationship with Trump, one can assume that Trump decided that this was acceptable. So, President Trump and Musk stranded them. We know this is true because President Trump and Musk said they we…

Just curious. Why didn't they come back earlier? Turning 8 days into 9 months seems bad. Really really bad.

That's entirely immaterial to my comment. You can read the entire story in other locations. However, none of that changes the fact that my comment is accurate.

Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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Post by kenjackson »

somenameforme wrote: post #330
kenjackson wrote: post #314

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In the linked article he stated: “For what it is worth, all of the reporting done by Ars over the last nine months suggests the decision to return Wilmore and Williams this spring was driven by technical reasons and NASA's needs on board the International Space Station, rather than because of politics.”

Read the article I linked above, also written by Eric Berger! Butch confirmed Elon's claim that he made an offer to bring them home last year was accurate. So we know that that offer was made, and must have been rejected. What we don't know is why. But the real thing here is that Eric Berger has written extensively about the political games NASA plays or (depending on one's perspective) is compelled to play. They sup…

This is the main quote from the Willmore interview you linked, that seems most relevant:

"I can only say that Mr. Musk, what he says, is absolutely factual. We have no information on that, though, whatsoever; what was offered, what was not offered; who it was offered to, how that process went. That's information that we simply don't have. So I believe him. I don't know all those details, and I don't think any of us really can give you the answer that maybe that you would be hoping for."

That has to be a nominee for doublespeak quote of the year -- and that's not a low bar this year.

Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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Post by mlyle »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #413
imglorp wrote: post #402

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DOGE saving effectiveness has been questioned. https://www.npr.org/2025/02/19/nx-s1-5302705/doge-overstates... Of the $6.8T budget, $55B (or whatever is the truth) would amount to less than 0.9% of spending. https://usafacts.org/articles/this-chart-tells-you-everythin... Anyway, we have a Government Accounting Office already which is highly critical of waste. If anyone was earnest, they'd send them more resources. On…

The types of waste, fraud, and abuse matter as much as the scale. Even just a "little" (5%-10%) corruption is a moral stain on the whole thing. As it is, that "small" corruption is funding an extensive network of NGOs, nonprofits run by the families of people in government, media, etc. -- all to (a) keep a ton of money flowing to people in Washington DC and (b) protect that status quo. Politics aside, widespread corr…

People spending money in ways that you consider wasteful is not the same as corruption.

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Post by ta1243 »

nervmodem wrote: post #433
scblock wrote: post #408

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> I think the republican position is more nuanced than that. To summarize: 'all children are special and important but any life changing decisions like joining the army or getting a tattoo are best left for later in life.

I didn't realise republicans were against genital mutilation.

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Post by davidmurdoch »

davidmurdoch wrote: post #335
avmich wrote: post #325

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Sir, with all due respect - don't you think there could be different meanings for the term "administration"?

Absolutely, but in the context used here the author is trying to absolve Biden of responsibility. Could/should Biden have done something to bring them back sooner? I don't know, but it is a government organization under his command.

I can't tell if this is downvoted because I upset someone in sorry if the the left or the right. I don't think what I said is untrue in any sense?

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Post by FireBeyond »

nervmodem wrote: post #425
reverendsteveii wrote: post #410

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For me all he had to do was not openly be a genocidal white supremacist. Maybe he needs a crew to help him with that, but I think there's something about that that's a bit more than "poor social skills" and I'm sick of pretending that me not knowing what to say to people at funerals is the same as him delivering multiple Nazi salutes at the presidential inauguration.

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> He's just the head of another political party

Oh, here we were believing Trump when we are told Musk isn't in charge of anything, either administratively or politically.

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