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Re: Fedora 42 Beta

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Post by ChocolateGod »

rurban wrote: post #105
threePointFive wrote: post #70

I've been super happy with Fedora since switching to it on desktop. Unfortunately I'm still biased to Debian for the server usecase. Fedora moves too quickly but RHEL (and derivatives) not supporting major version upgrades is pretty much a deal breaker. Would love a RedHat-themed distro with a ~5year support cycle with the option to do major version upgrades.

Then CentOS would fit your server use case. The new CentOS is a rolling distro with smooth upgrades, most kernel patches don't need a reboot, live patching works.

I thought RHEL kernel live-patching was restricted to just RHEL with certain subscriptions.

Re: Fedora 42 Beta

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Post by ivankra »

virtualwhys wrote: post #55
captn3m0 wrote: post #36

Asahi also has the 42 Beta available today: https://fedoramagazine.org/announcing-fedora-asahi-remix-42-... Notably with FEX support for running x86 binaries. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FEX

Was just in an Apple Store yesterday mulling over whether or not to switch back to macOS after 15 years on Linux PCs. Both MacBook Pros and Airs are nice machines, but macOS, for me, it's a huge step back. Unfortunately the Asahi project is underfunded (likely one of the reasons the project founder/lead jumped ship recently), and as a result M4 support is likely a year+ away. Oh wells, let's see what Dell and Lenovo…

I was pretty much in the same boat recently. Pulled the trigger and got M4 MBP - no regrets, great machine! Blows Intel-based competition by far away, double the speed of my beefy desktop build from 5y ago. Yea, I wish it could run Linux, but Mac OS works very well as a hypervisor and I still do all my day-to-day work in a familiar environment in Linux VMs. With all the supply chain attacks lately, I don't usually dare to develop on baremetal host anymore anyway. Related discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42541508

In fact, it's even better than Linux as a VM desktop host - finally a reliable suspend on lid close, smooth graphics in VMs, easy context switching between VMs, no silly fiddling with virgl and GPU passthrough etc. It Just Works. I can even play almost all the Windows games I care about - and at totally acceptable frame rates despite x86/ARM translation layers and lack of discrete GPU.

Re: Fedora 42 Beta

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Post by paride5745 »

jjice wrote: post #8

I've been feeling a pull towards Fedora lately away from Ubuntu, especially because there's apparently better hardware support for Framework laptops. Does anyone have experience for migrating from Ubuntu to Fedora? Package reinstallation isn't an issue for me, but wondering if anyone has some general tips for migrating everything between distributions, especially with different parent distros.

I recently switched from Fedora to Linux Mint Debian Edition (I work mostly with Debian servers so I am more comfortable with apt than dnf), and the switch has been smooth for me.

I keep my home directory organized and backed up on my NAS, so for me reinstalling is straightforward. Also I use Flatpaks whenever possible, so reinstall them is just looking at ~/.var/app and reinstalling what is there.

Other files to back up might be custom /etc confs, and maybe lists of packages you need (dpkg -l or rpm -qa are your friends).

I also use Linux brew for some more up to date software (e.g. golang) and just brew list is your command to get what you have installed.

In general, keep a backup of your home folder (I suggest skipping backing up ~/.cache to save some time and space) and you are mostly good to go.

Re: Fedora 42 Beta

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Post by nexle »

nycticorax wrote: post #98

I'm excited to see KDE promoted to being an "edition", but does anyone know what is behind this decision? It surprises me that Red Hat would take this step, since they are (seemingly) a big GNOME proponent, and I thought many of the GNOME developers work for Red Hat.

The official reasons can be found here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FedoraPlasmaWorkstati...

Re: Fedora 42 Beta

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Post by PhilippGille »

paride5745 wrote: post #113
jjice wrote: post #8

I've been feeling a pull towards Fedora lately away from Ubuntu, especially because there's apparently better hardware support for Framework laptops. Does anyone have experience for migrating from Ubuntu to Fedora? Package reinstallation isn't an issue for me, but wondering if anyone has some general tips for migrating everything between distributions, especially with different parent distros.

I recently switched from Fedora to Linux Mint Debian Edition (I work mostly with Debian servers so I am more comfortable with apt than dnf), and the switch has been smooth for me. I keep my home directory organized and backed up on my NAS, so for me reinstalling is straightforward. Also I use Flatpaks whenever possible, so reinstall them is just looking at ~/.var/app and reinstalling what is there. Other files to bac…

- `brew list` doesn't include apps you install from 3rd party taps, or casks, so `brew list --full-name` + `brew list --full-name --cask` is better

- Many apps store their config and user data outside of the home dir. I always find it dishonest when people say backing up home is enough on Linux. You did say "mostly ready to go", but that's exactly the tricky and important part that most people pretend doesn't exist

E.g. Docker volumes are in /var/lib/docker

So /etc/... and /var/lib are generally worth checking as well, but that probably still doesn't cover everything, as not all apps behave as maybe XDG specifies.

Re: Fedora 42 Beta

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Post by ndiddy »

nycticorax wrote: post #98

I'm excited to see KDE promoted to being an "edition", but does anyone know what is behind this decision? It surprises me that Red Hat would take this step, since they are (seemingly) a big GNOME proponent, and I thought many of the GNOME developers work for Red Hat.

Here’s a good overview of what happened: https://lwn.net/Articles/997559/

Re: Fedora 42 Beta

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Post by tmtvl »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #17
johnisgood wrote: post #13

Wayland has not been working for me properly though. I may give it another go so I'll be able to provide you an exhaustive list of what is not working properly, for now though, perhaps other people could chime in.

What doesn't work properly?

Something I have had issues with is games not recognizing SC-controller configuration.

Re: Fedora 42 Beta

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Post by paride5745 »

PhilippGille wrote: post #115
paride5745 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recently switched from Fedora to Linux Mint Debian Edition (I work mostly with Debian servers so I am more comfortable with apt than dnf), and the switch has been smooth for me. I keep my home directory organized and backed up on my NAS, so for me reinstalling is straightforward. Also I use Flatpaks whenever possible, so reinstall them is just looking at ~/.var/app and reinstalling what is there. Other files to bac…

- `brew list` doesn't include apps you install from 3rd party taps, or casks, so `brew list --full-name` + `brew list --full-name --cask` is better - Many apps store their config and user data outside of the home dir. I always find it dishonest when people say backing up home is enough on Linux. You did say " mostly ready to go", but that's exactly the tricky and important part that most people pretend doesn't exist…

Ideally you shouldn't have to backup /var/lib/docker, as your docker configs should live in your docker-compose.yaml or whatever you use to start your docker containers.

Also I have included backing up /etc confs in my original post.

I agree on the brew list being incomplete, totally forgot about casks. Not even sure if they work correctly under Linux to be honest. I literally just use brew for golang and awscli :P

Re: Fedora 42 Beta

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Post by dolni »

virtualwhys wrote: post #63
dpool wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Might be worth taking a look at https://frame.work/ .

Until now I'd only heard of Framework laptops, but am blown away by the build-your-own process -- incredible, spec the machine just as you want it. Going to dive into the details now, thanks...

I would strongly recommend you _don't_ get a Framework.

I bought one. It lasted less than a year. One day I pulled it out to use it and it just stopped booting. It had been barely used up to that point. No drops or anything like that.

Support was giving me the runaround, too -- by not using info I provided them, not answering direct questions, and asking me to provide info I had already provided.

Do some research on Framework support. You'll find it is atrocious.

The idea is absolutely amazing and I hope it succeeds. The expansion cards are an AMAZING feature. The problem is that the quality bar just isn't being met, yet.

Re: Fedora 42 Beta

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Post by threePointFive »

ezekiel68 wrote: post #89
threePointFive wrote: post #70

I've been super happy with Fedora since switching to it on desktop. Unfortunately I'm still biased to Debian for the server usecase. Fedora moves too quickly but RHEL (and derivatives) not supporting major version upgrades is pretty much a deal breaker. Would love a RedHat-themed distro with a ~5year support cycle with the option to do major version upgrades.

In our environments, we use Fedora. We run the package upgrades weekly in a test env and make sure the functional/integration tests pass successfully, then roll those forward to stage and prod envs. Very seldom (twice in 5 years) have we caught a problem in the lower environment that prohibited the upgrade from moving on towards prod. And in both of those instances, newer package upgrades in the test env fixed the pr…

That's quite impressive by the standards I'm used to. Do you mind if I ask what scale you're operating at and what tools you use to manage the staged rollout?
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