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Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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Post by exodust »

sethammons wrote: post #193
exodust wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, the topic is "crew returning to Earth." You, Berger, and whoever posted the arstechnica link have brought politics to the party. I liked how they had a drone circling the recovery activity at the splashdown site. All live-streamed for our informed entertainment. SpaceX is undeniably doing a great job, although the starship explosions in our atmosphere I'm not a fan of, I look forward to that not happening.

The arstechnica article is in response to a truth social post by the president where President Trump makes this political by blaming Biden. Trump is stirring shit with lies to sway the public.

Again, this thread's parent article is a SpaceX mission launch post stating a brief outline and details. And the top comment links to some rubbish tech-wanker article.

Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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Post by exodust »

PavleMiha wrote: post #188
exodust wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, the topic is "crew returning to Earth." You, Berger, and whoever posted the arstechnica link have brought politics to the party. I liked how they had a drone circling the recovery activity at the splashdown site. All live-streamed for our informed entertainment. SpaceX is undeniably doing a great job, although the starship explosions in our atmosphere I'm not a fan of, I look forward to that not happening.

Did you read Trump's post about the mission calling the previous administration incompetents? That predates Berger's post?

What? The parent article is a SpaceX mission post. Meanwhile I note you have contributed 2 posts in this topic and both of them are about Trump. Do you have any thoughts on the actual event that took place? Or is your needle stuck in Trump's groove?

Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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Post by pavon »

bheadmaster wrote: post #128
pavlov wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Berger is an excellent journalist. He’s very knowledgeable about space topics, has good sources, and has been extremely fair to Musk in the past. When he says it’s a “throne of lies”, a line has been crossed.

I wasn't very convinced by his arguments - the main one being: Senior NASA officials earlier this month confirmed, publicly and on the record, that the decision was made by the space agency in the best interests of the International Space Station Program. Not for political reasons. To be a little snarky here - so Senior NASA officials: honest, Musk: liar? If, hypothetically, NASA was pressured for political reasons,…

An earlier article[1] goes into more detail about how the decision was actually made, which provides more perspective about truth vs narrative. It is much more interesting than the one linked by the GP.

[1] https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/03/nasa-officials-undermi...

Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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Post by bheadmaster »

troupo wrote: post #312
erupt7893 wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Standard rotations are about 6 months - Butch and Suni were supposed to be up there for 8 days... Their families, their lives, and everything normal for way longer than planned. Health routines or not, that’s a brutal toll—mentally, emotionally, not just bones and muscles. Stop downplaying it like it’s no big deal

All you said are literally in the descriptions of the jobs they signed up for. They literally train for multiple gruesome death scenarios as part of their training. Not just "well, your 8-day stay has now become several months"

Just because they signed up for it, doesn't mean we shouldn't try our best to prevent it. Staying for 9 months in space is not a small deal for people's health.

Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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Post by wat10000 »

travisgriggs wrote: post #305
bheadmaster wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a situation where everyone has an incentive to lie, there's no reason to believe anyone. Musk and Trump have a history of exaggarating, to say it lightly, but NASA, like most of the government entities, hasn't been transparent with their internal processes either. I see no reason to trust either of them.

Yes. Kind of. Imagine you have two friends. Both are known to be the kind of people who eat off of other people’s plates. You go to dinner with both of them. And while you’re distracted, some food fries disappear from your plate. At this point, it’s similar. Since both friends steal food, it could be either. Except, you’ve actually been to dinner many times with both. And you actually know a little more. You know tha…

It's more like, while you're distracted, your entire plate disappears and friend A tells you that friend C took it. Friend A is known to hate C and frequently makes up completely fabricated accusations about C's behavior. Friend A also frequently fabricates nonsense stories about all sorts of other things. Friend B is known for stealing croutons.

Honestly, the best evidence that Biden did not block a rescue mission is Trump and Musk saying that he did.

Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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Post by lordfrito »

enragedcacti wrote: post #308
lordfrito wrote: post #198

By any reasonable definition, these astronauts were stranded. If people can be stranded in an airport due to a plane being grounded, then they can be stranded on a space station for the same reason. I mean, they're in orbit , it's not like they could simply walk home. The mental gymnastics on display in this thread reminds me of the Narcissists Prayer. The astronauts weren't stranded in space for 9 months. And if the…

They have had a completely normal emergency evacuation plan since 9/24/24, if they were ever "stranded" it was before that when they would have had to use the Crew-8 Dragon in an abnormal configuration. Is any astronaut who stays longer than planned "stranded"? Did Elon strand Crew-9 when SpaceX missed their deadline on building the Crew-10 Dragon? Or is it just if you can't go home whenever you want? Are Crew-10 str…

Again, if your aircraft is grounded you would consider yourself stranded at an airport until you could schedule and board alternate means of travel. Even though you could rent a car and drive 2000 miles, you're much more likely to wait 1 day for a new flight instead of adding 4 days of travel time. And during that day of wait you'd considered yourself stranded, even though you could walk right out of the airport at any time. Emergency options exist, like calling an ambulance, but it doesn't change the fact you're still stranded. You kids would be complaining endlessly about being stranded in an airport for one day, let alone 9 months.

If you're on a cruise ship that loses power on high seas, just because you can get into the the emergency life boats doesn't mean you aren't stranded until something more reasonable and accommodating arrives.

That's the way the word is used in casual conversation.

What's so wrong about calling the crew stranded? Their planned means of travel was "grounded" due to safety issues. Sure, lifeboats existed, but those are for emergencies. This wasn't an emergency. So, they're just regular "stranded" until another vehicle can come and do an unscheduled pickup. Which is what happened here.

This isn't rocket science people. Wait, actually it is :)

Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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Post by lordfrito »

enragedcacti wrote: post #308
lordfrito wrote: post #198

By any reasonable definition, these astronauts were stranded. If people can be stranded in an airport due to a plane being grounded, then they can be stranded on a space station for the same reason. I mean, they're in orbit , it's not like they could simply walk home. The mental gymnastics on display in this thread reminds me of the Narcissists Prayer. The astronauts weren't stranded in space for 9 months. And if the…

They have had a completely normal emergency evacuation plan since 9/24/24, if they were ever "stranded" it was before that when they would have had to use the Crew-8 Dragon in an abnormal configuration. Is any astronaut who stays longer than planned "stranded"? Did Elon strand Crew-9 when SpaceX missed their deadline on building the Crew-10 Dragon? Or is it just if you can't go home whenever you want? Are Crew-10 str…

> Is any astronaut who stays longer than planned "stranded"?

If the reason they're staying longer than planned is they can't use their planned return spacecraft, then yes they are stranded.

What am I missing here?

Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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Post by pavon »

somenameforme wrote: post #330
kenjackson wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the linked article he stated: “For what it is worth, all of the reporting done by Ars over the last nine months suggests the decision to return Wilmore and Williams this spring was driven by technical reasons and NASA's needs on board the International Space Station, rather than because of politics.”

Read the article I linked above, also written by Eric Berger! Butch confirmed Elon's claim that he made an offer to bring them home last year was accurate. So we know that that offer was made, and must have been rejected. What we don't know is why. But the real thing here is that Eric Berger has written extensively about the political games NASA plays or (depending on one's perspective) is compelled to play. They sup…

That interview doesn't really say much. It is mostly an carefully worded, polite but empty statement made after earlier extemporaneous comments by Suni and Butch seemingly contradicted Musk. The headline claim is basically just Butch saying he has no insight into the decision process but he trusts Musk is telling the truth.

In contrast other articles Eric wrote talking to people who where involved in the decision of how and when to return Butch and Suni, those officials clearly state that the decision was made for technical and programmatic reasons, not political pressure.

Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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Post by glenda »

bigtones wrote: post #292
pavlov wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Berger is an excellent journalist. He’s very knowledgeable about space topics, has good sources, and has been extremely fair to Musk in the past. When he says it’s a “throne of lies”, a line has been crossed.

> He’s very knowledgeable about space topics, has good sources, and has been extremely fair to Musk in the past. None of the writers of Ars Technica are anything like fair to Musk.

You're right, they're probably not critical enough.
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