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Re: Fedora 42 Beta

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Post by emptysongglass »

adduc wrote: post #87
wk_end wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love the idea behind Framework, but my admittedly old one is nowhere near comparable to a MacBook. It's really unpleasant to use, feels cheap, and performance/battery life are shockingly poor on Kubuntu. It's not a patch on a ThinkPad even, much less a Mac. Have they gotten considerably better since I bought mine (end of 2022)?

Framework started selling larger batteries in 2023 (61 Whr vs the base 55 Whr), and from looking through older reviews it looks like battery life significantly improved (>25% better) with the 13th-gen Intel upgrade [1]. I've got their 13-inch AMD 7840U but can't speak to the battery life as it mostly sits docked. [1]: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/05/review-framework-lap...

Have the bigger battery, battery life is still bad.

It's just a bad laptop: has "hot bag" syndrome, speakers are terrible even with the upgraded kit, the hinge that turns the screen off is very temperamental.

Still no open BIOS, they've hired a “Linux guy” who is super condescending in their official forums and locks topics when he feels the heat.

Stay far away.

Re: Fedora 42 Beta

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Post by microtonal »

virtualwhys wrote: post #55
captn3m0 wrote: post #36

Asahi also has the 42 Beta available today: https://fedoramagazine.org/announcing-fedora-asahi-remix-42-... Notably with FEX support for running x86 binaries. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FEX

Was just in an Apple Store yesterday mulling over whether or not to switch back to macOS after 15 years on Linux PCs. Both MacBook Pros and Airs are nice machines, but macOS, for me, it's a huge step back. Unfortunately the Asahi project is underfunded (likely one of the reasons the project founder/lead jumped ship recently), and as a result M4 support is likely a year+ away. Oh wells, let's see what Dell and Lenovo…

I got a Thinkpad T14 AMD Gen 5 a few weeks ago to use aside my MacBook Pro. Filled it up with 64GB RAM and a 2TB SSD for about 160 Euro each. In contrast to my previous Thinkpad experience 4 years ago, all the hardware just works out of the box. Even suspend/resume comes back without any devices lost, etc.

Re: Fedora 42 Beta

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Post by macco »

virtualwhys wrote: post #55
captn3m0 wrote: post #36

Asahi also has the 42 Beta available today: https://fedoramagazine.org/announcing-fedora-asahi-remix-42-... Notably with FEX support for running x86 binaries. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FEX

Was just in an Apple Store yesterday mulling over whether or not to switch back to macOS after 15 years on Linux PCs. Both MacBook Pros and Airs are nice machines, but macOS, for me, it's a huge step back. Unfortunately the Asahi project is underfunded (likely one of the reasons the project founder/lead jumped ship recently), and as a result M4 support is likely a year+ away. Oh wells, let's see what Dell and Lenovo…

ThinkPad P1 is fine, if Intel chipset works for you.

Great keyboard and touchpad and nice display.

Re: Fedora 42 Beta

#104

Post by rurban »

jjice wrote: post #8

I've been feeling a pull towards Fedora lately away from Ubuntu, especially because there's apparently better hardware support for Framework laptops. Does anyone have experience for migrating from Ubuntu to Fedora? Package reinstallation isn't an issue for me, but wondering if anyone has some general tips for migrating everything between distributions, especially with different parent distros.

I'm using both for several years. Fedora is lightyears ahead in quality and ease of use, but you need to install a lot of missing packages by yourself. No big deal though.

Ubuntu became a huge clusterfuck

Re: Fedora 42 Beta

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Post by rurban »

threePointFive wrote: post #70

I've been super happy with Fedora since switching to it on desktop. Unfortunately I'm still biased to Debian for the server usecase. Fedora moves too quickly but RHEL (and derivatives) not supporting major version upgrades is pretty much a deal breaker. Would love a RedHat-themed distro with a ~5year support cycle with the option to do major version upgrades.

Then CentOS would fit your server use case. The new CentOS is a rolling distro with smooth upgrades, most kernel patches don't need a reboot, live patching works.

Re: Fedora 42 Beta

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Post by carlwgeorge »

rurban wrote: post #105
threePointFive wrote: post #70

I've been super happy with Fedora since switching to it on desktop. Unfortunately I'm still biased to Debian for the server usecase. Fedora moves too quickly but RHEL (and derivatives) not supporting major version upgrades is pretty much a deal breaker. Would love a RedHat-themed distro with a ~5year support cycle with the option to do major version upgrades.

Then CentOS would fit your server use case. The new CentOS is a rolling distro with smooth upgrades, most kernel patches don't need a reboot, live patching works.

CentOS is not a rolling release. It has major versions and EOL dates.

Re: Fedora 42 Beta

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Post by pjmlp »

> Web UI is now default for Fedora Workstation: This new web-based UI for the OS installer is now default for Fedora Workstation in F42 Beta. ....

How times have changed, even OS installers.

Re: Fedora 42 Beta

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Post by rurban »

carlwgeorge wrote: post #106
rurban wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then CentOS would fit your server use case. The new CentOS is a rolling distro with smooth upgrades, most kernel patches don't need a reboot, live patching works.

CentOS is not a rolling release. It has major versions and EOL dates.

Oops, I always get this wrong, probably because of its misleading name.

> CentOS Stream defines Enterprise Linux.

> CentOS Stream is derived from Fedora Linux. It has a new major version release every three years, and each release is maintained for five years, matching the full support phase of RHEL. CentOS Stream development is open to all, but because CentOS Stream only has updates intended for RHEL, it is maintained by the RHEL team.

Re: Fedora 42 Beta

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Post by brewtide »

virtualwhys wrote: post #63
dpool wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Might be worth taking a look at https://frame.work/ .

Until now I'd only heard of Framework laptops, but am blown away by the build-your-own process -- incredible, spec the machine just as you want it. Going to dive into the details now, thanks...

Just purchased a 13" framework with the 'old' AMD 7840u, 2.8k screen, and speced as you desire - 64gb , 2 TB (with ram and storage coming from Amazon).

It's only been a week but thus far it has worked very nicely and I think ended up running me around $1,500.

We see what the future brings, but for now, seems a very solid purchase.

(Edit: as someone mentioned below, the speakers are not very good at all. This was not super important to me. If it is super important to you, you'll be let down)

Re: Fedora 42 Beta

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Post by ChocolateGod »

ndiddy wrote: post #33
jjice wrote: post #8

I've been feeling a pull towards Fedora lately away from Ubuntu, especially because there's apparently better hardware support for Framework laptops. Does anyone have experience for migrating from Ubuntu to Fedora? Package reinstallation isn't an issue for me, but wondering if anyone has some general tips for migrating everything between distributions, especially with different parent distros.

One thing to note is that you have to set up codecs/video acceleration stuff manually on Fedora because of legal reasons. Here's a pretty good guide for that, it also has some suggested configuration tweaks for GNOME that make it a bit nicer to use. https://ounapuu.ee/posts/2024/10/14/fedora-starter-pack/

You can use video players from Flathub which support patent-protected codecs.

It's much easier than having to try and gather packages from RPMFusion.

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