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Re: Fedora 42 Beta

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Post by bsimpson »

oaththrowaway wrote: post #19
jjice wrote: post #8

I've been feeling a pull towards Fedora lately away from Ubuntu, especially because there's apparently better hardware support for Framework laptops. Does anyone have experience for migrating from Ubuntu to Fedora? Package reinstallation isn't an issue for me, but wondering if anyone has some general tips for migrating everything between distributions, especially with different parent distros.

I floated between Mint and Pop_OS for years, and now I'll probably never leave Fedora Silverblue. It's awesome. I just use different toolbox/distrobox for different things I need. Most of my dev work is in a Ubuntu distrobox and I use mostly Flatpaks for everything else.

For those who have heard of Bazzite, the frontrunner in gaming/home theater Linux distros, it's based on Silverblue.

Re: Fedora 42 Beta

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Post by modzu »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #17
johnisgood wrote: post #13

Wayland has not been working for me properly though. I may give it another go so I'll be able to provide you an exhaustive list of what is not working properly, for now though, perhaps other people could chime in.

What doesn't work properly?

literally the only thing that works better (and not worse) on wayland is fractional scaling, and it is still not great :D. but thats partly how fedora drives the whole ecosystem forward

Re: Fedora 42 Beta

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Post by bsimpson »

nwah1 wrote: post #6

Excited about the new COSMIC spin, and remain excited about the progression of the existing Atomic desktop spins.

Nice that people have options. Setting up a desktop on your own isn't always easy.

I tried COSMIC and was disappointed that it didn't work well on a touchscreen (a common refrain for Linux environments, and a motivator for me trying it out). Then again, it's still an alpha. Would be nice to see improvements there, but since it's from a laptop vendor, I don't have high expectations.

Re: Fedora 42 Beta

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Post by staplung »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #12
staplung wrote: post #7

Gah! Why did they name their installer Anaconda? That name is already totally overloaded by the python Anaconda, which I notice now bills itself as "The Operating System for AI". That's like naming your programming language "JIT", or "Compiler" or..."Hack". UPDATE: as others have pointed out, I've got it backwards. RedHat had the name first. So, criticism retracted and redirected at the other Anaconda.

Per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaconda_(installer) and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaconda_(Python_distribution) , the installer dates to 1999 and the python distro dates to 2012. So yes, the name is overloaded, but the installer came first, and came first by a lot.

Ah, okay. Criticism retracted from RedHat and redirected at (python) Anaconda.

Re: Fedora 42 Beta

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Post by zifpanachr23 »

toprerules wrote: post #24
jjice wrote: post #8

I've been feeling a pull towards Fedora lately away from Ubuntu, especially because there's apparently better hardware support for Framework laptops. Does anyone have experience for migrating from Ubuntu to Fedora? Package reinstallation isn't an issue for me, but wondering if anyone has some general tips for migrating everything between distributions, especially with different parent distros.

Fedora uses more stock and Red Hat is a far, far bigger contributor to Linux and OS as a whole (especially the kernel and systemd). Fedora stays more true to the only OSS ethos. IMO Fedora is the better pick. If I had to use Ubuntu I would fight to use Debian instead.

I agree very strongly with your take. Fedora (and RHEL of course) ooze professionalism in a way that no other distro ecosystem does to me.

It's rock solid AND comes with relatively new packages, AND they are close to stock. I also appreciate their willingness to put themselves forward and show leadership when it comes to adopting (or creating) new technologies that can make the platform better. I think most professionals can agree at this point that despite little qualms and some early hiccups here and there, technologies like systemd and wayland (and others) were probably good ideas in the long run, and Fedora was consistently way out ahead in promoting and adopting them.

I also tend to trust Red Hat (and yes even IBM) more than I do Canonical for a number of reasons.

Re: Fedora 42 Beta

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Post by akdor1154 »

zifpanachr23 wrote: post #45
toprerules wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fedora uses more stock and Red Hat is a far, far bigger contributor to Linux and OS as a whole (especially the kernel and systemd). Fedora stays more true to the only OSS ethos. IMO Fedora is the better pick. If I had to use Ubuntu I would fight to use Debian instead.

I agree very strongly with your take. Fedora (and RHEL of course) ooze professionalism in a way that no other distro ecosystem does to me. It's rock solid AND comes with relatively new packages, AND they are close to stock. I also appreciate their willingness to put themselves forward and show leadership when it comes to adopting (or creating) new technologies that can make the platform better. I think most professio…

> Canonical gives off some weird vibes and those in the know will understand what I'm talking about.

You're probably trying to write fairly and without throwing shade, but the result is this gives off vibes of FUD. Can you be a bit more specific about your issues with Canonical?

Re: Fedora 42 Beta

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Post by jjtheblunt »

toprerules wrote: post #24
jjice wrote: post #8

I've been feeling a pull towards Fedora lately away from Ubuntu, especially because there's apparently better hardware support for Framework laptops. Does anyone have experience for migrating from Ubuntu to Fedora? Package reinstallation isn't an issue for me, but wondering if anyone has some general tips for migrating everything between distributions, especially with different parent distros.

Fedora uses more stock and Red Hat is a far, far bigger contributor to Linux and OS as a whole (especially the kernel and systemd). Fedora stays more true to the only OSS ethos. IMO Fedora is the better pick. If I had to use Ubuntu I would fight to use Debian instead.

exactly same sentiment here

Re: Fedora 42 Beta

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Post by zifpanachr23 »

akdor1154 wrote: post #46
zifpanachr23 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree very strongly with your take. Fedora (and RHEL of course) ooze professionalism in a way that no other distro ecosystem does to me. It's rock solid AND comes with relatively new packages, AND they are close to stock. I also appreciate their willingness to put themselves forward and show leadership when it comes to adopting (or creating) new technologies that can make the platform better. I think most professio…

> Canonical gives off some weird vibes and those in the know will understand what I'm talking about. You're probably trying to write fairly and without throwing shade, but the result is this gives off vibes of FUD. Can you be a bit more specific about your issues with Canonical?

You're right and I apologize for that and don't want to discourage anybody from doing business with or working with or for Canonical.

All I'll say is that the recruitment process alone, if it's still as bad as it used to be, is a major red flag and deal breaker w.r.t what it says about the overall culture.

Maybe things have changed and so people should really take my opinions about them with a grain of salt.

Re: Fedora 42 Beta

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Post by bravetraveler »

sho_hn wrote: post #35
ndiddy wrote: post #4

Fedora KDE is probably the best KDE experience I've had, so I'm glad that it's going to get equal billing with the GNOME version going forward. Shoutout to the Fedora KDE maintainers for doing such a good job.

KDE developer myself, and happy Fedora user since 2009. Agreed, the Fedora team does a great job, also with keeping us developers happy by e.g. providing dependencies needed by the unreleased development versions.

I really like working with 'mock' and 'fedpkg'; Fedora is a modern binary distribution, of course, but source rebuilds are like the same four commands away for any package

Re: Fedora 42 Beta

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Post by microtonal »

jjice wrote: post #8

I've been feeling a pull towards Fedora lately away from Ubuntu, especially because there's apparently better hardware support for Framework laptops. Does anyone have experience for migrating from Ubuntu to Fedora? Package reinstallation isn't an issue for me, but wondering if anyone has some general tips for migrating everything between distributions, especially with different parent distros.

FWIW, slightly less relevant to coming from Ubuntu specifically, I would use Fedora if I wasn't using NixOS. It has so many things going for it:

- A strong focus on security, one of the few distributions to use SELinux. They were very active in pushing verified boot. Early adoption of Flatpak, which has seen better and better sandboxing over time.

- Very fresh. So you get the latest & greatest GNOME, etc. and even after a release a lot of packages are actively maintained and updated. I have generally found that this leads to a more stable system, since bugs get fixed more quickly.

- Since Fedora is very up-to-date, hardware support is also very good.

- Their immutable/atomic distributions (e.g. Silverblue) are awesome. Immutable boot, atomic upgrades/rollbacks, etc.

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