Hetzner might get a lot of love here but it's another service that treats protonmail users as second class citizens since they ask for ID. I would avoid them just because of this.
Moving away from US cloud services
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#202I find the Proton tools to be a joy to use and I use them for my business. For clients, I can't do that to them. Microsoft completely dominates and people just expect to be able to video call, chat, work on docs, etc. MS365 remains incredible value for money and pretty optimal for normies.
Teams is a horrible, ghastly product that is absolutely impossible to avoid with clients :-( I'd prefer to stay on the free plan because it feels so soul-destroying to reward such behavior, but then you can't start calls unless invited to a meeting by someone on a paid plan (or something, it's disabled with no message).
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#203Looks unrealistic to me. Sure, for one guy with lots of energy and know how its possible. Try migrating academia, industry, entire government branches etc. That's not gonna be easy.
It isn't easy or realistic, yet. But these things always start with the guys and girls with energy and skills. They write blogposts, it gets picked up. Somebody starts making improvements, convinces their manager to do it. Slowly things start to improve, people start building tools, sharing knowledge. Some of these people also work in, or for academia, industry, government branches. Once enough people are ready to pay real euros, there will be entrepreneurs ready to provide solutions on the market, also in Europe.
I don't buy the idea that Europa has lost all the big tech so we're doomed or something. No, maybe we won't have an aws/azure/google cloud competitor any time soon. But it has never been easier to start a software product, the thousands and thousands of SaaS services we rely on can easily be build from the ground up by devs from all over the world.
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#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
I run Firefox on Linux and I rarely encounter Cloudflare captchas.
Strange, I get them so much. It might be because I tweaked my user agent. I had to do this, because Microsoft is being obstinate and disabling a lot of M365 features if you're on Firefox on Linux. When I set my UA to Edge it suddenly works totally fine. I'm just a bit stuck with M365 due to my work, unfortunately.
So you answered the question right? You are blaming CF yet your change is causing CF to detect you as an untrusted browser. Not their fault.
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#205Privacy rights in the EU are being eroded as we speak. Unless people there get off their high horse, they'll succumb to the same level of authoritarianism and surveillance as in the states. Also, sorry, but the idea that EU countries are in any position to build a serious hyperscaler is pure fiction. Growth, funding, risk, innovation - those are alien concepts to European entrepreneurs.
> Unless people there get off their high horse, they'll succumb to the same level of authoritarianism and surveillance as in the states. We are very far away from the status quo in the US. Some countries are overtaken by extreme right, which is worrying. But it's nothing like the US where the entire country went to shit overnight. Also, we don't have this singular president entity which has so much power that everyth…
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#206A shame that OP recommends Proton. The fact they don't support open email protocols like IMAP/SMTP without an extremely frustrating proxy setup is what ultimately turned me away from their service. Being able to "just" use a native mail client is pretty much a must. The vendor lock-in from something like Proton feels way worse as a result. Can't speak to Proton Pass, but it strikes me as a replacement that seems unne…
Why is IMAP/SMTP so important? What exactly are people missing out on by Proton not having this support?
Our choice of email client.
Scripts that automatically pull emails and archive them locally or process them in some way.
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#207Earlier quoted context omitted.
he mentioned also Quad9 - Cloudflare DNS replacement. I didn't know about and will probably switch to it. My other picks: SEARCH: qwant (france) LLM: mistral (france), librechat.ai, openwebui VPN: mullvad (sweden), protonVPN (swiss) AUTH: OpenID (sadly seems like not many sevices implement it) CLOUD: Hetzner (germany), OVHCloud (france) MAPS: here wego, openstreetmap EMAIL: protonMail (swiss), fastmail (australia) DN…
Yes, but nobody competes with AWS, Azure or GCP, everything else is easy. And most likely, most of the services/saas you mentionned relies on "US" cloud infrastructure.
OVH and Scaleaway?
If not used the latter but the former was excellent back when I used to use them. They were a little more focused on traditional compute and lacks the general breadth of services that the likes of AWS offer. But if you’re in a position where you’re able to choose a cloud platform provider based on the location of their HQ, then the chances are you’re requirements from said cloud provider are pretty basic.
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#208The biggest elephants in the room are cloud providers, but I didn't find an easy alternative yet (hetzner, ovhcloud). ATM, the idea to the business is sold, that data resides somewhere near by in a datacenter, EU proximity. However, the EU businesses are realising that, well, whole region is at a mercy of one person.
koyeb.com is an EU (France) alternative to fly.io
Have you used Koyeb? I really like fly.io, though it would of course be ideal if they weren't US-based.
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#209Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, but nobody competes with AWS, Azure or GCP, everything else is easy. And most likely, most of the services/saas you mentionned relies on "US" cloud infrastructure.
> Yes, but nobody competes with AWS, Azure or GCP Scaleway is positioned in the same space.
STACKIT too.
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#210Surprised the author didn't realise that the dropdown by login boxes has been supported for some time by BitWarden, and more importantly, the backend is open source so you can run it yourself (there's also a third party implementation that's even simpler to run yourself).