Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah because the good ones already left the shitshow to get a job somewhere better. Because they can.
The best are always the first to leave
Amazon plans to lay off 14,000 managerial positions to save $3.5B yearly
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#32I'm going to make the observation that politics in a company is caused by management. The more "politics" you have at a company, the more you pay in a "political tax". Effort which should benefit the company is delayed or made harder as employees have to bob and weave to get through the politics. I do believe if you want real culture change in a company, the best way to do it is to show managers the door, because tha…
They're workers, and Deming also said: Don't blame the workers.
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
In my experience, the worst of them are lodged in there tighter than trichinella larvae.
Yeah because the good ones already left the shitshow to get a job somewhere better. Because they can.
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#36So they finally figured out most managers are not just useless, but literally a drag to the company and progress?
In my experience, the worst of them are lodged in there tighter than trichinella larvae.
So it's not just that the best manager is also the best at finding a new job, but that every second they spend improving their org's performance is a second they don't spend trying to fool a typically not-so-good middle manager into thinking they are indispensable.
This is also why, every time I've seen manager culls, I have found that it was rare for upper management's idea of who was easier to replace was to match that of peers and reports. The ability of the bad manager to hide the truth from the exec is much stronger than people realize.
Re: Amazon plans to lay off 14,000 managerial positions to save $3.5B yearly
#37So they finally figured out most managers are not just useless, but literally a drag to the company and progress?
The managers are just following the (fairly absurd imo), amazon internal processes for the most part. If the processes don't change, there are just going to be a bunch of overloaded managers. The current processes, culture, and 'principles'/dogmas are inefficient, contradictory and toxic af.
Re: Amazon plans to lay off 14,000 managerial positions to save $3.5B yearly
#38So they finally figured out most managers are not just useless, but literally a drag to the company and progress?
Or are you saying you just need to find the good managers? I might have misunderstood.
I'm honestly interested in alternatives.
Re: Amazon plans to lay off 14,000 managerial positions to save $3.5B yearly
#39I'm going to make the observation that politics in a company is caused by management. The more "politics" you have at a company, the more you pay in a "political tax". Effort which should benefit the company is delayed or made harder as employees have to bob and weave to get through the politics. I do believe if you want real culture change in a company, the best way to do it is to show managers the door, because tha…
The problem in companies like this is there are often few incentives for reducing complexity, even in a company like Amazon that claims to value eliminating it.
Re: Amazon plans to lay off 14,000 managerial positions to save $3.5B yearly
#40This is old news and refers to the 15% figure that was announced last year (more than 6 months ago!) and for which the "layoffs" are already completed. Overall, nothing at all happened, managers looked after their own kind and the worst that happened for some was having to go back to IC positions. The article is most likely AI generated since it says this was announced "last month" and the article is from March, but…
2. Someone at Morgan Stanley assumes that lay offs will be the mechanism used to reach the target ratio and does some math that says this'll save $XX billion, based on the number of employees at Amazon and the average manager salary.
3. Business Insider reports on the Morgan Stanley memo.
4. This trash article re-reports on it for some reason.
In reality, teams were re-org'd, managers became ICs. Maybe some were PIP'd. No large layoffs though.