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Extracting content from an LCP “protected” ePub

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Re: Extracting content from an LCP “protected” ePub

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The only time to directly threaten legal action is when you don't think legal action will achieve your goal, and you've got nothing else. Otherwise, there is no benefit to threatening legal action. Sure, you can imply it, but you gain nothing by showing those cards.

But the goals that these people pursue are difficult to understand or anticipate. You assume that because these people are employed by some business entity that their goals are "make more money" and such. That's rarely the case, even if we allow for the unenlightened version of "make more money". Instead, assume that many, possibly even most, are more interested in being punitive out of some warped sense of justice.…

That's a pretty impressive way to imagine people's motivations.

The likelihood of a non-profit outfit building open source software being driven by a warped sense of justice and the goal of making people miserable rather than, say, trying to make sure they can continue their stated mission and ensure publishers keep agreeing to digital book lending is pretty bold. But sure, why not.

Re: Extracting content from an LCP “protected” ePub

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post #24

Do book drms even make sens? i can understand games, but how do you encrypt words that are meant to be read. People used to record music on the radio. It seems easier to ocr a book and generate text that way.

A big place where this gets used is to make Kindle ebooks only able to be read on a kindle. Any time they update and change the DRM there’s a brief period where newly-released amazon kindle books essentially cannot be read anywhere except kindle hardware and official kindle apps. People have pretty consistently found ways around the DRM (for now). But amazon is always trying to crack down on this.

It's also employed by digital libraries to enable lending of books.

Re: Extracting content from an LCP “protected” ePub

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> We were planning to now focus on new accessibility features on our open-source Thorium Reader, better access to annotations for blind users and an advanced reading mode for dyslexic people. Too bad; disturbances around LCP will force us to focus on a new round of security measures This is so funny to me. "We might have gotten around to making our software accessible, if it weren't for you meddling kids!"

Accessibility? Like with plain text? What a crazy world that would be.

Re: Extracting content from an LCP “protected” ePub

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> You can, for sure, publish information relative to your discoveries to the extent UK laws allow. After study, we'll do our best to make the technology more robust. If your discourse represents a circumvention of this technical protection measure, we'll command a take-down as a standard procedure. Disgusting behaviour, as expected from the publishing industry I suppose. This "EDRLab" outfit appears to be little more…

They make a software to help libraries lend ebooks for free. Without their DRM you either wouldn’t be able to borrow ebooks because publishers would never agree to it, or would be limited to kindle/libby to read them. They’re not perfect but how is it bad behavior to say you’ll issue a takedown notice if your copyright material is republished? I don’t really understand why they’re being treated as the enemy here?

> They’re not perfect

Oh wow. Better make an exception in this one specific case then.

Re: Extracting content from an LCP “protected” ePub

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post #42
post #24

Do book drms even make sens? i can understand games, but how do you encrypt words that are meant to be read. People used to record music on the radio. It seems easier to ocr a book and generate text that way.

You can always do OCR on the paper book, so if the easiest way to circumvent some ebook DRM were OCR, the vendor would probably consider that a resounding success.

Which is dumb because that still takes very little time and effort. You can pirate any paper book in like 10 minutes with a decent sheet fed scanner if you don't care about keeping it bound. What a hurdle.

But hey, Grandma Martha can't read her Kindle version on the new Kobo her grandson got her without buying a new copy. Fantastic.

Re: Extracting content from an LCP “protected” ePub

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post #54

> We were planning to now focus on new accessibility features on our open-source Thorium Reader, better access to annotations for blind users and an advanced reading mode for dyslexic people. Too bad; disturbances around LCP will force us to focus on a new round of security measures This is so funny to me. "We might have gotten around to making our software accessible, if it weren't for you meddling kids!"

Accessibility? Like with plain text? What a crazy world that would be.

Plain text is the best archival format.

Re: Extracting content from an LCP “protected” ePub

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They make a software to help libraries lend ebooks for free. Without their DRM you either wouldn’t be able to borrow ebooks because publishers would never agree to it, or would be limited to kindle/libby to read them. They’re not perfect but how is it bad behavior to say you’ll issue a takedown notice if your copyright material is republished? I don’t really understand why they’re being treated as the enemy here?

> They’re not perfect but how is it bad behavior to say you’ll issue a takedown notice if your copyright material is republished? That's not what they said. This is how you should have read their reply: > If your discourse represents a circumvention of this technical protection measure, we'll command a take-down as a standard procedure. If you say something we don't like, if we think we can make the argument that the…

What do you suggest as a better solution to a. give people the possibility to buy electronic books, while avoiding that the publishers and authors risk losing their intellectual property b. give libraries the possibility to lend ebooks fairly? This is a genuine question. Are there better solutions than DRMs? Is Apple, Adobe or Amazon dealing with this better?

Re: Extracting content from an LCP “protected” ePub

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post #15

One should also note that Thorium is a remarkably crappy app to read Epubs on.

I've never used it myself, but I'd be really surprised if it somehow managed to be worse than Adobe Digital Editions.

I had to script an install of ADE recently and apparently the only way to successfully silent install it is to create a registry key that pretends Norton 360 is installed, because their installer has a Norton Security Scan thing injected in which their silent flag doesn't handle.
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