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Re: Apple will soon support encrypted RCS messaging with Android users

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I have never used Slack or Discord. I have only used Teams for Zoom-esque meetings. We do not have desks. Nor do we have offices. I'm an anesthesiologist; I work where the patient and the surgeon are.

None of those are desktop applications, all work on Android and iPhones alike. All are more suitable for your use cases than SMS, iMessage or RCS.

Are they HIPAA-legit?

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I get not being able to ignore calls (although that sounds like hell too, given how common spam calls are to US numbers), but it would really not be possible for people to agree to call you if they urgently need something? Not doubting your description of your situation, and it does sound extremely stressful.

No, not really. I’m on call for the whole hospital, after all. Any doctor or nurse can ask who’s on call for anesthesia and get my number. Some call, most text.

So your hospital uses the same group chats for banter and on-call pages? That really sounds quite dangerous (in addition to stressful for the person receiving pages). Again, not sure if you are in any position to suggest changes here, but would an actual on-call paging system not make sense here?

There are so many apps/services available for this exact purpose that can alert (with or without sound, per user choice) through iOS's and Android's "do not disturb" mode, can call or text several numbers in sequence (useful in places with weak signal but a landline) and much more.

Re: Apple will soon support encrypted RCS messaging with Android users

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Let me spell it out: the arbitrary color lets you identify the ones who use Android. Some people think the reason for using Android is being poor. Others don’t want to be seen as poor, because social posturing is important to them.

I don't think it has to do with poverty. There are Android phones that are as expensive as iPhones. It was just because of incompatibility.

iPhone users perceive Android devices as poor. It’s naive and biased, but there’s at least some validity based on the fact that Android devices can cost anywhere from $100 for some basic model at Walmart to ~$2k for the bendy/foldies.

What most are saying is that there’s always been the perception that comes with green messages. When I was on Android (pretty much since the first Nexus all the way to the Galaxy Fold 4), I definitely noticed iPhone users avoiding SMSing with me or in groups, and instead using Facebook Messenger because of the issues that come with group texts involving non-iOS users.

Now that I’m on iOS, I’m aware of the differences, although I don’t particularly care since so many Android devices support RCS.

Re: Apple will soon support encrypted RCS messaging with Android users

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None of those are desktop applications, all work on Android and iPhones alike. All are more suitable for your use cases than SMS, iMessage or RCS.

Are they HIPAA-legit?

Both Slack and Teams can be configured to be HIPAA-compliant (as I already mentioned). Note that iMessage is NOT HIPAA-compliant.

Re: Apple will soon support encrypted RCS messaging with Android users

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Did you read that issue? It's Moxie that refused to support it

Yes, I followed it when it was open. Which third-party app do you use which supports RCS E2EE?

None, but that issue has no mention of what you said in the other message

("Only Messages was allowed to support it. At the time it was written, for example, it was years after the Signal developers had asked for basic RCS support (2015) and given up on Google relenting and allowing it in 2018")

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> Green means it was sent as a normal SMS No it doesn't, and it would mean that even less when green messages start meaning end-to-end encrypted RCS.

What does it mean then? Genuine question.

Blue means iMessage, and supports iMessage features.

Green means not-iMessage and supports SMS / MMS / RCS features.

Presumably when Apple rolls this out, both blue and green messages could be end-to-end encrypted. It remains to be seen whether Apple will add an indicator for RCS (and potentially iMessage) encrypted messages. I could imagine them being jerks about it and not indicating when green messages are just as secure as iMessage, or they adjust their messages that iMessage is more secure/private because Apple trusts their own key exchange more than RCS.

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No, not really. I’m on call for the whole hospital, after all. Any doctor or nurse can ask who’s on call for anesthesia and get my number. Some call, most text.

So your hospital uses the same group chats for banter and on-call pages? That really sounds quite dangerous (in addition to stressful for the person receiving pages). Again, not sure if you are in any position to suggest changes here, but would an actual on-call paging system not make sense here? There are so many apps/services available for this exact purpose that can alert (with or without sound, per user choice) t…

No, hospital doesn’t, but my group does often mix business and pleasure and I don’t have the luxury of ignoring them even if I happen to be on call.

The multiple-dial might help if we had a fixed location, but we don’t. Getting boosters or microcells in dead spots is just now happening, but the IT department could also enable WiFi calling, which they block.

It’s a long litany of hair-pulling.

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> The thumbed up reaction is useful because you can react to something specific in a fast-paced conversation. iMessage also allows replying to a specific message, which is also useful for the same reasons. A makes joke. B and C react "laugh". D replies with sub-joke. E, F, and G react "groan". Produce this little cascade every time a serious topic is brought up and someone makes an offhand joke as a lead-in to a seri…

> A makes joke. B and C react "laugh". D replies with sub-joke. E, F, and G react "groan". Produce this little cascade every time a serious topic is brought up and someone makes an offhand joke as a lead-in to a serious topic. iMessages/SMS is not a conversation or an email and the same rules don't apply. You don't have the recipient's attention for any longer than it takes to read the message you've sent. If you wan…

That zoom on iPhone is a perfect Apple thing: here is a very useful feature, we will document it but never bother to publicize it, and it’s going to be buried behind a strange gesture requiring both hands (double-tap and hold with three fingers, then slide up or down!).

I can’t change the behaviors of others. And, in practice, while email isn’t really considered a conversation, messaging is. Stuff that would be no problem in a physical conversation (three people laugh) is incredibly distracting when every one of them feels compelled to note they found it funny.

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iMessage's killer feature is that you can send a group message to more than a total of ten people. SMS does not officially support this. I do not recall this being a problem in the pre-iMessage days, even with flip phones. I was on prepaid T-Mobile and had to pay for every message I received , which is the one place where I thought the US billing system had gone nuts - you could always decline to receive a phone call…

I can't remember the last time I sent an SMS. Comparing iMessage to SMS is not useful. Compare it to one of the (several) cross platform messaging services. In Europe, Android is on equal par with Apple. WhatsApp is the default messaging service - it is universally installed among my friends, relatives, colleagues, contractors etc.. No-one cares what model of phone the other person has. Everyone communicates.

For good or ill, I have to work with the situation I find myself in, not the one I wish I did.

Re: Apple will soon support encrypted RCS messaging with Android users

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Oh, what's up with Signal?

They used to be SMS compatible. But now are just a solo like most other chat app. https://signal.org/blog/sms-removal-android/

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