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Re: The Alexa feature "do not send voice recordings" you enabled no longer available

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it both is and isn't secret bullshit. there's no evidence that there's a list of secret keywords Lord Bezos is listening for, but there's plenty of evidence that these devices active unintentionally all the time and that those unintentional activations lead to you being recorded and that recording being sent off into the cloud https://moniotrlab.khoury.northeastern.edu/publications/smar...

I don't think it's any secret that the device can unintentionally activate in certain circumstances (and whether or not that's due to it thinking it heard its name is another debate)... but my problem with OP's statement is that they seem to frame it as if it's intentionally and maliciously listening more often than it should, and I just don't see any evidence to support that claim.

Alexa option to "recognize sounds" (e.g. baby crying, fire alarm, appliance beeping) might increase risk of false positives.

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Every Tesla is constantly recording, so if anyone has been within 50 feet of a Tesla, they already have your picture.

Between cell phones, IOT doorbells, and incredibly inexpensive security cameras, even a world free from Tesla has cheap and ubiquitous surveillance. But you're correct, Tesla is yet another among the multitudes with a robust surveillance network

Every starlink station (and probably) tesla, scoop up every mac address they ever see. This is one is unique in that it puts all that data into a single actor's hands.

Re: The Alexa feature "do not send voice recordings" you enabled no longer available

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I know this single bit of news isn't the biggest deal. However we were talking at the dinner table, my wife and two kids and I. We just decided we're done with Amazon and Alexa. My wife has always been skeeved out by the devices, and I've reassured her that the wake word is the only time it's recording. Whether this is true or not, it's obvious that the company can no longer be trusted. So yeah we're just going to ge…

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post #332

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A miscarriage is not a voluntary abortion. The point is not to criticise these cases specifically, but to point out there is a cultural underpinning to the problem. To treat someone appropriately, you have to respect them and not be constantly afraid that what you’re doing will get you in trouble.

If a doctor is afraid to treat a miscarriage it's because they're worried about abortion laws in their jurisdiction. You can't pretend they're not linked; we should talk about both when we talk about either one. My point about Wisconsin, Massachusetts, and US maternal mortality vs. Europe stands.

Wisconsin's abortion law was completely irrelevant in the modern era until Roe was overturned, so that's not really a great point. At best, it's incredibly dishonest. Besides, the poster wasn't saying it was because of abortion specifically, but that having such a large population that views women's reproductive health as a political issue, rather than a medical issue, is probably the reason why the US has such poor maternal health outcomes.

Re: The Alexa feature "do not send voice recordings" you enabled no longer available

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Between cell phones, IOT doorbells, and incredibly inexpensive security cameras, even a world free from Tesla has cheap and ubiquitous surveillance. But you're correct, Tesla is yet another among the multitudes with a robust surveillance network

Every starlink station (and probably) tesla, scoop up every mac address they ever see. This is one is unique in that it puts all that data into a single actor's hands.

As opposed to every Android phone doing the same?

Re: The Alexa feature "do not send voice recordings" you enabled no longer available

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Alexa listens to more then the wake word. I've had this recommend products on Amazon while my wife and I were having a conversation at the dinner table. It also recommended calling 911 while I was talking about fire. It's a spying device people willingly put in their homes for the convenience of a timer you can active with your voice. Edit: It could be that it activated mishearing "Alexa". I don't have hard evidence…

Corpos can't resist not to spy when it's at their fingertips, too irresistible to them, they just can't help it. That's why we should take our privacy back and offer no benefit of the doubt.

IoT WiFi baseband firmware is also an attack surface.

Re: The Alexa feature "do not send voice recordings" you enabled no longer available

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To me your comment seems to be implying one of two things: 1) Black people are biologically hardwired to have a shorter life expectancy than white people 2) A shorter life expectancy among black people doesn't count -- it's only life expectancy among white people that matters Could you clarify further if you meant one of these, or if you meant something else that I was not able to pick up on?

Neither, simply that there appears to be little correlation between GDP per capita and life expectancy between Mississippi and the UK, and the lion's share of the difference is due to lower life expectancies amongst blacks (the reasons for their lower life expectancy being something I didn't get into at all).

The black fraction of the population of UK was never mentioned. If you're going to compare the life span of two places, there doesn't seem to be any reason to bring race up. If you're going to bring it up, you need to justify why its relevant. You can probably find lots of demographic lines along which you can split a population to support this argument or that argument. Some fraction of Mississippi is black, as is some fraction of the UK. And each sub-demographic has some life expectancy. Different places have different population mixes, but those mixes are de-facto representative of those places. If the argument is about non-black life spans, your argument would make sense. But if it's about the average lifespan of the region, and the demographic mix is different, it's non-sensical to filter using different cohorts since that mixture difference is a real difference between the regions.

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Now would be a good time to have a functional FTC commissioner. Doing a bait and switch like on a product that was sold with a set of features should be illegal. If I buy a car and the sales guy stops by my house the next day to take back the wheels, it would rightfully be seen as ridiculous.

Chill man. Just send back the product and ask for a refund.

I tried, Amazon will not refund over this issue.

Re: The Alexa feature "do not send voice recordings" you enabled no longer available

#539

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Seems kinda paranoid. I've yet to meet anyone, who's met anyone, who's been harmed by not turning that setting off, or been harmed by any assistant listening.

Poster said that unplugging the device made their home more peaceful. This implies that having the device on was creating a constant, albeit low-level, harm. "harm" is a tricky word.

Yep. I think we usually underestimate the low level anxiety and adverse psychological effects of one knowing they're always being recorded/watched. Usually this only applies to being outside the home, which is bad enough imo, but bringing it into the home where you're supposed to be able to relax and have a reprieve from being surveilled cannot be good for the psyche. I would not be surprised if this (in combination with social media, and everyone always having a smart phone camera, etc) is a contributing factor in many of the psychological and societal issues people, especially younger people, are experiencing these days.

Re: The Alexa feature "do not send voice recordings" you enabled no longer available

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So people don't read (and convert) their recipes before they actually start them? That's wild.

Look at yes, convert, rarely. Partially because getting Alexa to do it is so convenient and quick. I really need to continue setting up voice for HA.

I just dump it into chatgpt and get it done in a sec
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