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Extracting content from an LCP “protected” ePub

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Re: Extracting content from an LCP “protected” ePub

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> You can, for sure, publish information relative to your discoveries to the extent UK laws allow. After study, we'll do our best to make the technology more robust. If your discourse represents a circumvention of this technical protection measure, we'll command a take-down as a standard procedure.

Disgusting behaviour, as expected from the publishing industry I suppose. This "EDRLab" outfit appears to be little more than a non-profit front for Hachette.

Re: Extracting content from an LCP “protected” ePub

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> You can, for sure, publish information relative to your discoveries to the extent UK laws allow. After study, we'll do our best to make the technology more robust. If your discourse represents a circumvention of this technical protection measure, we'll command a take-down as a standard procedure. Disgusting behaviour, as expected from the publishing industry I suppose. This "EDRLab" outfit appears to be little more…

> Disgusting behaviour, as expected from the publishing industry I suppose. This "EDRLab" outfit appears to be little more than a non-profit front for Hachette.

The quoted block is indeed disgusting, but it gets even weirder in the context of the full discussion, where the correspondent seems to be trying some sort of intellectual blackmail on the author of this article, saying that, as long as nobody talks about its deficiencies, DRM can be kept weak and inefficient—and so trying to blame increasingly cumbersome DRM on the people who want to access their material, rather than on the publishers. For example, with a nice and patronizing start:

> You've found a way to hack LCP using Thorium. Bravo! We certainly didn't sufficiently protect the system, we are already working on that. … If the DRM does not succeed, harder DRMs (for users) will be tested. I let you think about that aspect

Re: Extracting content from an LCP “protected” ePub

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Granted, Readium LCP[0] may be one of the less odious DRM solutions out there for eBook contents, however it's still DRM. Handcuffs are still handcuffs regardless of how comfortably they fit.

DRM is in my view is too often used as a cudgel to mandate hardware and software level restrictions that take away the control of our own computing devices and environments. I personally hold that intellectual property isn't property, and is increasingly becoming a net negative to humanity as a whole. In the case of this article, there is an ominous threat of legal action against the disclosure of the author's work, potentially stifling the speech of a fellow hacker.

While I'm not unsympathetic to the plight of creatives, and their need to eat, I feel like the pendulum has swung so far to the interests of the copyright holders and away from the needs of the public that the bargain is no longer one I support.

Because of this stance, I find myself uncomfortably on the side of AI bros like Sam Altman who argue for the expansion of the fair use doctrine. I see AI as an accelerant in the erosion of IP's relevance and enforceability. With AI being able to crank out derivative works at scale, it blurs the lines between infringement and transformation. My hope is that the flood of such content makes enforcement impractical, and that it will further demonstrate that the IP emperor is naked.

[0]: https://www.edrlab.org/projects/readium-lcp/

Re: Extracting content from an LCP “protected” ePub

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post #4

Granted, Readium LCP[0] may be one of the less odious DRM solutions out there for eBook contents, however it's still DRM. Handcuffs are still handcuffs regardless of how comfortably they fit. DRM is in my view is too often used as a cudgel to mandate hardware and software level restrictions that take away the control of our own computing devices and environments. I personally hold that intellectual property isn't pro…

Altman isn't on your side, or any side except his own. OpenAI insists both that they should be allowed to train models on any text they can gain access to, regardless of copyright or licensing (https://openai.com/index/openai-and-journalism/) and that you should not be allowed to train models on any text produced by their models (https://archive.is/20250130132153/https://www.nytimes.com/20...).

Re: Extracting content from an LCP “protected” ePub

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Granted, Readium LCP[0] may be one of the less odious DRM solutions out there for eBook contents, however it's still DRM. Handcuffs are still handcuffs regardless of how comfortably they fit. DRM is in my view is too often used as a cudgel to mandate hardware and software level restrictions that take away the control of our own computing devices and environments. I personally hold that intellectual property isn't pro…

Altman isn't on your side, or any side except his own. OpenAI insists both that they should be allowed to train models on any text they can gain access to, regardless of copyright or licensing ( https://openai.com/index/openai-and-journalism/ ) and that you should not be allowed to train models on any text produced by their models ( https://archive.is/20250130132153/https://www.nytimes.com/20... ).

His ability to speak out of both sides of his mouth is why no one trusts him, and why I find it so uncomfortable to agree with anything he says.

Re: Extracting content from an LCP “protected” ePub

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post #4

Granted, Readium LCP[0] may be one of the less odious DRM solutions out there for eBook contents, however it's still DRM. Handcuffs are still handcuffs regardless of how comfortably they fit. DRM is in my view is too often used as a cudgel to mandate hardware and software level restrictions that take away the control of our own computing devices and environments. I personally hold that intellectual property isn't pro…

> I find myself uncomfortably on the side of AI bros like Sam Altman who argue for the expansion of the fair use doctrine

Why? Are you training LLMs?

I highly doubt they'll fight a pro-consumer fight completely incidental to their objectives (if not detracting: don't need to buy the source textbook if you can ask ChatGPT about its contents as soon as it's released).

Re: Extracting content from an LCP “protected” ePub

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Very curious (and nervous, as I can imagine more bad outcomes than good ones) as somebody that frequently lends ebooks from libraries supporting LCP. (The only thing worse than "controlled" digital lending would be no digital lending at all.)

LCP is as close to the platonic ideal of DRM as it gets: Essentially no obfuscation; cryptography largely something to point at when filing DMCA takedown requests. For better or worse, I suspect we're about to get some new case law for what constitutes an effective technical measure.

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