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Faster.
Ok, and what's the advantage for the people who don't have "my pip is too slow" problem?
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Re: uv downloads overtake Poetry for Wagtail users
#52I’m still using pip, what am I missing?
Re: uv downloads overtake Poetry for Wagtail users
#53Not a surprise. I said it before and I'll say it again, all the competing projects should just shut up shop for the good of Python. uv is so much better it's like pushing penny farthings after the safety bike has been invented.
That's rough for all the creators of poetry, pdm, pipenv, etc. to hear. They put in a ton of great work over the last decade, but I fear you may be right.
I quite really like pdm! I can see why maybe poetry but especially pipenv might be replaced with uv, but what's the value of uv over pdm beyond performance? It ticks all my boxes otherwise.
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#54I recently switched to uv, and I cannot praise it enough. With uv, the Python ecosystem finally feels mature and polished rather than like a collection of brittle hacks. Kudos to the uv developers for creating such an amazing piece of software!
But how does it work with components that require libraries written in C?
And what if there are no binaries yet for my architecture, will it compile them, including all the dependencies written in C?
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#55Man, I’m so jealous of insane praise that uv (and most other astral tools) gets. I don’t think ever seen anything so unanimously lauded around here.
Guess people here don't talk much about cargo. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that cargo inspired uv. Rust with cargo showed for the first time that tooling _can_ be good, even for systems programming languages.
uv has been introduced as cargo for python: https://astral.sh/blog/uv-unified-python-packaging
Re: uv downloads overtake Poetry for Wagtail users
#56PyCharm also added uv support in their latest versions.
We recently switched to PDM in our company because it worked very well in our tests with different package/dependency managers. Now I am rethinking if we should switch to uv while PDM usage is still not very wide-spread in our company. But PDM works very well, so I am not sure whether to keep using it.
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#57uv sounds great! For those still using Python v2, how well does it work? pip used to be a pain when having to manage both Python v2 and v3 projects and tools.
Unfortunately, I don't think many things nowadays are tested with a 15-year-old version of a language.
I was one of the last holdouts, preferring to keep 2.7 support if it wasn't too much hassle, but we have to move on at some point. Fifteen years is long enough support.
Re: uv downloads overtake Poetry for Wagtail users
#58For the uninitiated what is the benefit of UV over pip? I've been working with pip for so long now that I barely notice it unless something goes very wrong.
The only advantage over pip is it's faster. But the downside is it's not written in Python.
The real point of uv is to be more than pip, though. It can manage projects, so basically CLI commands to edit your `pyproject.toml`, update a lockfile, and your venv all in one go. Unlike earlier tools it implements a pretty natural workflow on top of existing standards where possible, but for some things there are no standards, the most obvious being lockfiles. Earlier tools used "requirements.txt" for this which was quite lacking. uv's lockfile is cross-platform, although, admittedly does produce noisier diffs than requirements.txt, which is a shame.
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#59Man, I’m so jealous of insane praise that uv (and most other astral tools) gets. I don’t think ever seen anything so unanimously lauded around here.
Like with any social media site, you also have to consider the possibility that not all comments are 100% organic.
Re: uv downloads overtake Poetry for Wagtail users
#60For the uninitiated what is the benefit of UV over pip? I've been working with pip for so long now that I barely notice it unless something goes very wrong.
Not only it's faster, it also provides a lock file, `uvx tool_name` just like `npx`, and a comprehensive set of tools to manage your Python version, your venv and your project.
You don't need `pyenv`, `poetry` and `pipx` anymore, `uv` does all of that for you.