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Re: The Alexa feature "do not send voice recordings" you enabled no longer available

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Post by firtoz »

z3t4 wrote: post #61
DevX101 wrote: post #3

Now would be a good time to have a functional FTC commissioner. Doing a bait and switch like on a product that was sold with a set of features should be illegal. If I buy a car and the sales guy stops by my house the next day to take back the wheels, it would rightfully be seen as ridiculous.

It was not yours to begin with. Think of it as a service. Just give it back and go to a competitor. Ohh wait, there are no competitors! Monopolies suck! Especially if they are world-wide.

There are competitors, even open source ones

Re: The Alexa feature "do not send voice recordings" you enabled no longer available

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Post by deesep »

xmprt wrote: post #64
labster wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m afraid the only thing we can do at this point is gun for an economic depression, ride out three years of that just like with Hoover (1929–33), and upgrade to New Deal 2.0 beta. There’s no amount of protests that can convince the median Trump voter that anything is wrong in America unless it affects him personally. And no amount of protest will convince Trump that he has made a single mistake in his entire life.

I should have a bit more faith but at this point I feel like the median voter might see their world getting worse but still be convinced somehow that Democrats are behind it because Republicans have their messaging on point and Democrats are doing the equivalent of a silent protest.

I suspect Democrats remain silent because they believe nothing new can be said about Trump's policies. His supporters will counter any argument, so it's better to step back and let them experience Trump 2.0 without distractions. Over time, they may realize the harm he causes.

Re: The Alexa feature "do not send voice recordings" you enabled no longer available

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Post by beezlewax »

firtoz wrote: post #81
z3t4 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was not yours to begin with. Think of it as a service. Just give it back and go to a competitor. Ohh wait, there are no competitors! Monopolies suck! Especially if they are world-wide.

There are competitors, even open source ones

These are not viable options for the vast majority of users. Most peppe don't have a clue how to set up open source options, let alone set them up with usable hardware.

The average consumer wants out of the box solutions that don't require a degree in Computer Science to use.

Re: The Alexa feature "do not send voice recordings" you enabled no longer available

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Post by timwis »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #58
timwis wrote: post #23

I switched to Home Assistant a couple months ago (because I didn't like the idea of my voice being sent to amazon constantly) and haven't looked back! Soo much more you can do (including immediately using an LLM, if you like, whether in the cloud or local), and so much more control.

Home Assistant is a great example of the amazing things the open source community is capable of doing. Hopefully they get the color version stuff worked out. It's too bad it appears that most of Amazon's hardware devices can't be turned to the good side and made to work with Home Assistant.

What do you mean color version?

As an aside, I get what you mean in the context of my earlier comment, but just to clarify for anyone reading, you can use alexa and Google home devices with home assistant (eg to send commands and as media players, I believe), but you can't "deamazon"/"degoogle" them and just use the hardware with home assistant, which would be great if we could!

Re: The Alexa feature "do not send voice recordings" you enabled no longer available

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Post by beezlewax »

shakna wrote: post #43
hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #38

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Has that been tested in court? I would have thought a user wilfully or negligently misreading a ToS would not be a good legal defence (not that I agree with how I think the law would play out)

Yes [0]. > Unless the website operator can show that a consumer has actual knowledge of the agreement, an enforceable contract will be found based on an inquiry notice theory only if: (1) the website provides reasonably conspicuous notice of the terms to which the consumer will be bound; and (2) the consumer takes some action, such as clicking a button or checking a box, that unambiguously manifests his or her assent…

Nobody knows what they are consenting to. The law has failed us deeply in this regard.

Re: The Alexa feature "do not send voice recordings" you enabled no longer available

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Post by qwertox »

What if you bought the device just because it had this option?

I have an Echo Dot 2nd Gen which I used for around two months, until it once failed at a command of playing back a radio station but instead started to continuously stream my audio to Amazon, for hours until I noticed it (bandwidth monitoring with InfluxDB and Grafana).

Now none of my devices (phones and tablets) listen for hotwords, but at this point there's no guarantee that my Pixel phone isn't listening in all the time. That feature where your phone listens to water or an alarm is what I found too sketchy, as if they have been playing around with on-device constant sound recognition for too long and then come up with some silly reason to make you enable it.

Re: The Alexa feature "do not send voice recordings" you enabled no longer available

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Post by protocolture »

Waterluvian wrote: post #7
protocolture wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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“Reputation” as a free market remedy is such a poor solution, though, as it lags behind the events that change it. A badly tuned PID loop is better than nothing, I guess.

This is actually part of our (Australia's) Australian consumer protection laws, which are considered pretty beastly.

Its simply a test of reasonableness. If you had another source of information about a likely fault and you purchased anyway, it can reduce your protection.

If you have a reasonable expectation that a brand is really good and often lasts 7 plus years it can also go the other way. Netting you government guaranteed replacements by manufacturers far longer than their competitors.

Re: The Alexa feature "do not send voice recordings" you enabled no longer available

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Post by protocolture »

isoprophlex wrote: post #12
therealpygon wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people will say just about anything to blame the consumer. You know, like “it’s your own fault for buying a thing from a company.”

Yes! You knew this was coming, why didn't you buy something from any other huge monopolistic tech-cloud-everything-store?! Oh wait...

Why didnt you just buy an ESP32 or Arduino option.

Or like, not purchase the in house recording device.

YMMV.

Re: The Alexa feature "do not send voice recordings" you enabled no longer available

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Post by protocolture »

simion314 wrote: post #13
protocolture wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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>Yes but reputation is a factor. If you bought that car from wheel stealing jimmies wheel theft funded auto retailer you might need to shoulder some of the blame. You think the same for food and medicine? remove the "evil" regulations and let the reputation be a factor and every individual should do their research ?

This is actually part of our (Australia's) Australian consumer protection laws, which are considered pretty beastly.

Its simply a test of reasonableness. If you had another source of information about a likely fault and you purchased anyway, it can reduce your protection.

If you have a reasonable expectation that a brand is really good and often lasts 7 plus years it can also go the other way. Netting you government guaranteed replacements by manufacturers far longer than their competitors.

I wasn't applying any free market assumptions here, but the (very popular) regulatory framework I already live under.

Re: The Alexa feature "do not send voice recordings" you enabled no longer available

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Post by blitzar »

nicce wrote: post #75
KeplerBoy wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's certainly a violation of the rental terms.

Rental terms were 1000 page book.

That's the terms from when you rented the car, we have updated the terms since then.
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