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Re: The Alexa feature "do not send voice recordings" you enabled no longer available

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Post by muzani »

imoreno wrote: post #22
DevX101 wrote: post #3

Now would be a good time to have a functional FTC commissioner. Doing a bait and switch like on a product that was sold with a set of features should be illegal. If I buy a car and the sales guy stops by my house the next day to take back the wheels, it would rightfully be seen as ridiculous.

Don't these usually come with ToS or something that has you agreeing that they can change the service any time?

I always wonder how valid these actually are. There's probably a reasonable range.

Like a car park can say they're not liable for your car's safety, it doesn't mean they can steal your car. A roller coaster can say they're not liable for injuries but if they didn't inform you it's dangerous for pregnant people or if they violate some safety law, they're probably liable.

The bit about changing terms of service probably gives them some leeway to deal with law changes and stuff. If they're purposely being misleading to play bait and switch, that sounds like it's breaking a law somewhere.

Re: The Alexa feature "do not send voice recordings" you enabled no longer available

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Post by Shank »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #30
october8140 wrote: post #27

Our longstanding privacy commitment with Siri https://www.apple.com/jo/newsroom/2025/01/our-longstanding-p...

Yeah right. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jul/26/apple-con...

With all due respect, the link you’ve linked to is reddit, and the underlying story is a 500. Can you provide an available source or alternative, since this one seems broken?

Re: The Alexa feature "do not send voice recordings" you enabled no longer available

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Post by jisnsm »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #30
october8140 wrote: post #27

Our longstanding privacy commitment with Siri https://www.apple.com/jo/newsroom/2025/01/our-longstanding-p...

Yeah right. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jul/26/apple-con...

Your link does not contradict his.

Re: The Alexa feature "do not send voice recordings" you enabled no longer available

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Post by ohgr »

october8140 wrote: post #27

Our longstanding privacy commitment with Siri https://www.apple.com/jo/newsroom/2025/01/our-longstanding-p...

Times come and go.

Never give any data to anyone based on their current policy, because as demonstrated here, it may change. And then you're fucked.

Re: The Alexa feature "do not send voice recordings" you enabled no longer available

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

Shank wrote: post #32
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah right. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jul/26/apple-con...

With all due respect, the link you’ve linked to is reddit, and the underlying story is a 500. Can you provide an available source or alternative, since this one seems broken?

Updated link but it's getting hard to find them.

Eg: I can't find any link about the home button scandal anymore.

People will forget about all the wrong doing and the PR will enventually win.

Re: The Alexa feature "do not send voice recordings" you enabled no longer available

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Post by paul7986 »

october8140 wrote: post #27

Our longstanding privacy commitment with Siri https://www.apple.com/jo/newsroom/2025/01/our-longstanding-p...

As well another one is Siri after 14 years remain not intelligent even with Apple's supposed new Apple Intelligence!

Re: The Alexa feature "do not send voice recordings" you enabled no longer available

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Post by hsbauauvhabzb »

Taek wrote: post #25
imoreno wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't these usually come with ToS or something that has you agreeing that they can change the service any time?

ToS have limits, people in a practical sense aren't really able to read and understand the ToS of every product they buy, which means a ToS can only go so far in the ways it allows companies to be predatory against consumers.

Has that been tested in court? I would have thought a user wilfully or negligently misreading a ToS would not be a good legal defence (not that I agree with how I think the law would play out)

Re: The Alexa feature "do not send voice recordings" you enabled no longer available

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Post by jamiek88 »

gleenn wrote: post #11
Legend2440 wrote: post #8

TL;DR Alexa will be cloud-only very soon because it'll be powered by an LLM, which is too big to run on a smart speaker.

While the reason you suggest might be a good one, the repercussions of this change are clearly large. Unknowing customers now have their voice recordings sent to the cloud whoch could be leaked, have law enforcement get a warrant to take it from Amazon, or for it to be abused directly by Amazon. Those are huge. They might just have a good scapegoat.

The law enforcement point is an excellent one. They were already caught giving ring footage without warrants.
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