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The Naked and the TED

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Re: The Naked and the TED

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"takedown"? I don't think it means what you think it means. As for the article, I kept wanting to nod off. I guess it's just not my style.

>"takedown"? I don't think it means what you think it means.

Take a gander here: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/takedown

I see three definitions, two literal and one figurative that apply here:

>6. Informal . the act of being humbled.

>7. Wrestling . a move or series of maneuvers that succeeds in bringing a standing opponent down onto the mat.

>2. a crushing remark [syn: put-down]

Re: The Naked and the TED

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post #10
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree strongly with most of the points you make. I don't think this is a case of sour grapes... and if it is, so what? Because the argument made is entirely reasonable and well done. Whether you agree or not, it is an important view point that has to be aired more often. I personally agree with the author's premise and I think your view that TED doesn't have a political agenda is naive in the extreme.

I think the argument is neither reasonably made nor well done. It reads like a laundry list of gripes the author has, like "oh yeah, and one more thing, and look at this word, and what a fool this guy is, and one more, and and and" but with some nice verbage. What he doesn't get to the heart of is, aside from the fact that the book may not be very good (which I can easily accept), why the central systems-and-data-dri…

There is no way we are going to agree on much in this domain. I just so strongly disagree, it is painful to me!

Consider your 'post-political person'. I believe this is a conceit. In my opinion no such person exists.

Are you seriously arguing that politicians will soon be a thing of the past? That, in essence, is the conclusion you must reach. A little further down the line, I expect the Singularity will happen as well, yet I have a sneaky suspicion the first to get there will execute the ultimate political act which will be to deny access to the several billion people that weren't part of their cohort.

-Supplemental-

Since we don't really know how the Singularity will express itself, 'get there' should be read as 'to contact', 'integrate with' etc

Re: The Naked and the TED

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post #12
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the argument is neither reasonably made nor well done. It reads like a laundry list of gripes the author has, like "oh yeah, and one more thing, and look at this word, and what a fool this guy is, and one more, and and and" but with some nice verbage. What he doesn't get to the heart of is, aside from the fact that the book may not be very good (which I can easily accept), why the central systems-and-data-dri…

There is no way we are going to agree on much in this domain. I just so strongly disagree, it is painful to me! Consider your 'post-political person'. I believe this is a conceit. In my opinion no such person exists. Are you seriously arguing that politicians will soon be a thing of the past? That, in essence, is the conclusion you must reach. A little further down the line, I expect the Singularity will happen as we…

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Re: The Naked and the TED

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post #8

Sour sour sour grapes. The thing about TED is, wild-eyed though it may be, it's not a political agenda. It's (trying to be) beyond that, about technology and science and understanding, and while the result is often pretty technocratic it is actually often reflecting the benefits of self-organisation through tech. Stuff like Wikipedia, for example, is perfect TED-fodder because it shows demonstrable ways of doing thin…

Is there some alternate Wikipedia out there that's not a bureaucratic, inefficient, often self-destructive mess?

If I drew anything from Wikipedia, I'd draw the conclusion that this sort of 'non-political' technological organization becomes intensely political, with most decisions made through behind-the-scenes rules-related politicking by the people with the most time to burn.

Horrifying, because the people with the most time to burn on any particular issue are usually the extremists. I can't imagine the distopia that'd result if things like zoning laws or environmental regulations were decided by the same process.

Re: The Naked and the TED

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post #10
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree strongly with most of the points you make. I don't think this is a case of sour grapes... and if it is, so what? Because the argument made is entirely reasonable and well done. Whether you agree or not, it is an important view point that has to be aired more often. I personally agree with the author's premise and I think your view that TED doesn't have a political agenda is naive in the extreme.

I think the argument is neither reasonably made nor well done. It reads like a laundry list of gripes the author has, like "oh yeah, and one more thing, and look at this word, and what a fool this guy is, and one more, and and and" but with some nice verbage. What he doesn't get to the heart of is, aside from the fact that the book may not be very good (which I can easily accept), why the central systems-and-data-dri…

That ideas are not recent is not an argument that they are wrong, it's just an excuse to be historically illiterate yet still claim credibility.

>To take one example, he seems to find the whole notion of a hybrid age, or the singularity, as dangerous technocratic political thinking, something to be stamped out.

No, he finds the idea of a immanent techno-millennium ancient, familiar to most culturally literate people, and articulated more convincingly (or rather more coherently) by people a century ago who were also wrong. He argues that the "hybrid age" is a vacuous restating of a basic condition of man that is not only older than Twitter, but older than books. He argues that the rewarming of these old ideas masks personal agendas of the traditional sort, namely the accumulation of wealth and status by serving the traditional players in their traditional totalitarian political agendas.

You may not agree, but you also are not disagreeing coherently. At least until you can define to your audience what "semantic-social" and "post-political" mean before you use them in an argument.

Re: The Naked and the TED

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post #8

Sour sour sour grapes. The thing about TED is, wild-eyed though it may be, it's not a political agenda. It's (trying to be) beyond that, about technology and science and understanding, and while the result is often pretty technocratic it is actually often reflecting the benefits of self-organisation through tech. Stuff like Wikipedia, for example, is perfect TED-fodder because it shows demonstrable ways of doing thin…

Why on Earth would TED publish this garbage then? TED is at its best when it's concrete ("here's what I've done") or rigorously descriptive ("here are the statistics"). When it starts getting speculative or political (e.g. "here's how to fix education") it's ridiculous.

"Singularity may rid us of death, but it won’t abolish backscratching."

Re: The Naked and the TED

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Morozov (the post's author) has also written a book called The Net Delusion that provides a good background on the less-friendly parts of the Internet. I recommend it for those just entering the IT/Internet-based business world.

Re: The Naked and the TED

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...Today TED is an insatiable kingpin of international meme laundering... I liked this article a lot, even though I don't have as much experience with the TED community as the author does. Applying a acerbic wit and cynical eye to what we do as technical people is sorely needed. And the author has a point: at some point the language gets so conceptual and fuzzy that it becomes more of a performance than a knowledge-s…

"For a couple of years I've been fascinated with the idea that as intelligent people many of us are drawn to activities and consumption that makes us look more intelligent, whether or not we actually learn anything of value from them or not."

This is a very interesting thought. I suppose to some extent that effect is due to there being fewer checks of your ability once you reach a high level of competence in something, simply because there are fewer people who have the ability to do that.

One way to mitigate that could be to learn entirely new things that you don't think you have an 'aptitude' for. When you start something really new to you, and later begin to publish stuff made with those new skills, there's a huge number of people who will analyse your work critically.

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