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Leaked Apple meeting shows how dire the Siri situation is

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Re: Leaked Apple meeting shows how dire the Siri situation is

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Just realized something funny. Current AI is pretty janky, unpredictable, unreliable etc. So, Microsoft actually has an enormous advantage over Apple, when it comes to AI integration. Because their whole OS is already like that!

> It feels so well integrated into the rest of the system!

- Anonymous user

Re: Leaked Apple meeting shows how dire the Siri situation is

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I know Apple has been known to wait until a technology was very mature before putting it into a product, sometimes years after competitors had already done so. But Apple Intelligence seems like the complete opposite… like they had to have something now .

The same year the tech industry got taken by storm by LLMs, Apple announced a brutally expensive, niche VR/AR headset with no particular use case. That product was essentially DOA. I think this is the first time in decades where Apple took a step from their back foot. The Vision Pro announcement during the initial hype cycle of ChatGPT made it look like they were just totally out of step with the industry. It was a d…

> Had they slept on the Vision Pro

2025 versions of iOS, iPadOS and macOs are all being redesigned based on VisionOS, despite VisionPro production and successor cancellation.

Re: Leaked Apple meeting shows how dire the Siri situation is

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I know Apple has been known to wait until a technology was very mature before putting it into a product, sometimes years after competitors had already done so. But Apple Intelligence seems like the complete opposite… like they had to have something now .

The same year the tech industry got taken by storm by LLMs, Apple announced a brutally expensive, niche VR/AR headset with no particular use case. That product was essentially DOA. I think this is the first time in decades where Apple took a step from their back foot. The Vision Pro announcement during the initial hype cycle of ChatGPT made it look like they were just totally out of step with the industry. It was a d…

They could have waited with the vision pro too. Just keep the tech in their back pocket until they could release something that was viable for consumers.

Re: Leaked Apple meeting shows how dire the Siri situation is

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They already have a compostable automation api with 3rd party integrations: Shortcuts! It’s not perfect, but surely you could natural language -> llm -> temporary shortcut script and that gets you a decent part of the way to a smarter Siri

I'm not as familiar with Shortcuts API but from a quick glance it seems less rich than apple events/apple script. With LLM + apple script you could achieve computer use agents on easy mode. Not just one-off "what's the weather" queries but complex multi-step interactions like "send the latest photo I took to John". To start with, Automator on mac would be the perfect place for LLM integration. And Script Editor too.…

They have since added App Intents to the LLM automation stew.

Re: Leaked Apple meeting shows how dire the Siri situation is

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Siri today is capable of doing anything I really want it to. If it only it could f*ckin understand me! Whisper (or whatever the ChatGPT app uses) runs rings around. Basically zero errors. For me they just need to fix the goddamn voice recognition performance.

Could a 3rd-party app use Whisper to drive Siri / Shortcuts?

Re: Leaked Apple meeting shows how dire the Siri situation is

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The basic problem here for Apple is that LLMs will never actually be able to avoid prompt injection issues, and the entire "personal awareness" set of functionality they're trying to make uses LLMs. Unless somebody at Apple invents a new state of the art, it's not going to happen. With that said, I'm surprised they haven't yet at least replaced the 'dumb' Siri commands with something that's effectively an LLM transla…

Everyone thought LLMs would scale exponentially like everything else in computer science. It's actually linear and they're all stuck holding a bag of mostly worthless goods.

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Re: Leaked Apple meeting shows how dire the Siri situation is

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I’m not sure I want / need an LLM for the handful of basic commands I want Siri to do in the car with no complication. Siri is good at some straightforward command patterns. And that’s how users have been trained. Adding an LLM feels like a solution looking for a problem

LLMs are probably better at "understanding" what the user wants, e.g. "Hey Siri, I have to take my kids to the doctor tomorrow" would reply "Do you want me to make a calendar event?". Asking ChatGPT, it even has suggestions like "Do you want me to check traffic, do you want me to make a checklist for what to bring?". If I continue with "but I can't make it", one of the suggestions ChatGPT imagine possible is: "Would…

if they used something like Whisper for transcription, the quality of understanding what I'm saying would already massively improve.

Re: Leaked Apple meeting shows how dire the Siri situation is

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same year the tech industry got taken by storm by LLMs, Apple announced a brutally expensive, niche VR/AR headset with no particular use case. That product was essentially DOA. I think this is the first time in decades where Apple took a step from their back foot. The Vision Pro announcement during the initial hype cycle of ChatGPT made it look like they were just totally out of step with the industry. It was a d…

> Had they slept on the Vision Pro 2025 versions of iOS, iPadOS and macOs are all being redesigned based on VisionOS, despite VisionPro production and successor cancellation.

Is there evidence Vision Pro production was ‘cancelled’ as opposed to just running its limited course as planned? Are there substantial leaks indicating its successor has been cancelled?
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