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Canadian Devs Are Backing Out of Attending GDC

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Re: Canadian Devs Are Backing Out of Attending GDC

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Post by YZF »

jmclnx wrote: post #2

I cannot blame them. It is really too bad. I remember the days were to travel between the US and Canada only required some kind of ID. There were many times I was just waved through, no stopping. Most of the time I was asked for my name and then let through. After 2001 you needed a special ID and now it is a PITA. I wonder how long before an official VISA is needed. So much for the longest unprotected border in the w…

Something must have happened in 2001 I guess.

IIRC the additional id requirement was introduced in 2007 (air) and 2009 (land).

1. https://www.canada.ca/en/news/archive/2006/11/new-american-l...

2. https://www.canada.ca/en/news/archive/2009/06/are-you-canadi...

One should note that the restrictions survived different US and Canadian administrations (there is a reciprocal requirement on Americans entering Canada) so it's not really a partisan issue it would appear.

The border is still pretty much unprotected.

My position is that Canada and the US should have an open border and an EU-like economic zone but I think the majority of Canadians and Americans don't want that or clearly it's not an important enough issue for them. Overall it's still a reasonably easy border to cross for both compared to most world borders and for many professions TN status also lets people live and work across the border.

As a Canadian emotions are running pretty hot these days. I think we should try and keep that under control. Don't get angry over what is essentially a business arrangement. People are still the same people under different administrations for good and bad. If you're feeling angry try and remember someone is trying to get you to be angry.

Re: Canadian Devs Are Backing Out of Attending GDC

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Post by elaus »

3vidence wrote: post #10
linotype wrote: post #3

Canada should take up the issue with Trump, not with Americans. I didn’t vote for Trump. I know only a handful of people that did. I highly doubt most of the people attending GDC did. No need to be a fair weather friend, in four years Trump will be gone and normalcy will be restored.

America aggressively trying to question Canadian sovereignty makes Canada the fareweather friend..... Got it. With friend like these who needs enemies. The American ignorance on this site is really starting to drive me away.

I think the community still does its best to downvote low-effort comments like that (independent of the political position). But as a non-American it sure is annoying to see more and more of them.

Re: Canadian Devs Are Backing Out of Attending GDC

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Post by healsdata »

YZF wrote: post #7
healsdata wrote: post #5

At this point, why would you travel to the US? People with valid visas and green cards are being denied entry, strip searched, detained indefinitely, and denied prescription medicine. The government is ignoring judicial orders regarding immigration and deportation. 1. https://www.luxtimes.lu/luxembourg/us-resident-violently-int... 2. https://www.newsweek.com/rubio-touts-migrants-sent-el-salvad...

What percentage of travelers are running into problems? How does that compare to other countries? How does it compare to your probability of being detained where you are anyways? Not to belittle the anecdotal issues but without any baseline or comparison this is meaningless scare mongering. People are denied entry, detained and strip searches in every border all over the world, every day, all the time. If you think s…

Your first article immediately says that the government is investigating and other articles point out the man was found carrying cocaine.

Your second article points out that someone was arrested on suspicion of a crime and will go on to face a judicial process to establish innocence or guilt.

If you think those two cases are comparable to the two I provided, I'm not sure we can have a productive discussion on this matter, especially considered you entirely ignored the second point of my post.

Re: Canadian Devs Are Backing Out of Attending GDC

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Post by YZF »

healsdata wrote: post #13
YZF wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What percentage of travelers are running into problems? How does that compare to other countries? How does it compare to your probability of being detained where you are anyways? Not to belittle the anecdotal issues but without any baseline or comparison this is meaningless scare mongering. People are denied entry, detained and strip searches in every border all over the world, every day, all the time. If you think s…

Your first article immediately says that the government is investigating and other articles point out the man was found carrying cocaine. Your second article points out that someone was arrested on suspicion of a crime and will go on to face a judicial process to establish innocence or guilt. If you think those two cases are comparable to the two I provided, I'm not sure we can have a productive discussion on this ma…

Which of your points have I ignored exactly?

You're ignoring my point which is that similar things happen all over the world all the time and without any comparative data they are just anecdotes.

Is the Trump administration applying a different policy? Absolutely. Does that make the US materially less safe for most of us? Open question. Almost certainly not.

So yes, we're not going to have a productive discussion when I am coming at things from a fact based view point and you are presenting anecdotes as being relevant.

Re: Canadian Devs Are Backing Out of Attending GDC

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Post by dwaltrip »

linotype wrote: post #3

Canada should take up the issue with Trump, not with Americans. I didn’t vote for Trump. I know only a handful of people that did. I highly doubt most of the people attending GDC did. No need to be a fair weather friend, in four years Trump will be gone and normalcy will be restored.

It’s called boundaries.

Re: Canadian Devs Are Backing Out of Attending GDC

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Post by linotype »

3vidence wrote: post #10
linotype wrote: post #3

Canada should take up the issue with Trump, not with Americans. I didn’t vote for Trump. I know only a handful of people that did. I highly doubt most of the people attending GDC did. No need to be a fair weather friend, in four years Trump will be gone and normalcy will be restored.

America aggressively trying to question Canadian sovereignty makes Canada the fareweather friend..... Got it. With friend like these who needs enemies. The American ignorance on this site is really starting to drive me away.

Most people in the US consider Canada a friend not an enemy or the 51st state. It’s stupid that Trump and his cronies are able to kill so quickly what was a great friendship.

Re: Canadian Devs Are Backing Out of Attending GDC

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Post by linotype »

ahartmetz wrote: post #4
linotype wrote: post #3

Canada should take up the issue with Trump, not with Americans. I didn’t vote for Trump. I know only a handful of people that did. I highly doubt most of the people attending GDC did. No need to be a fair weather friend, in four years Trump will be gone and normalcy will be restored.

I think non-fairweather friends are about them staying with you when you're in trouble. This is you CAUSING them trouble on purpose.

I didn’t vote for Trump.

Re: Canadian Devs Are Backing Out of Attending GDC

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

3vidence wrote: post #10
linotype wrote: post #3

Canada should take up the issue with Trump, not with Americans. I didn’t vote for Trump. I know only a handful of people that did. I highly doubt most of the people attending GDC did. No need to be a fair weather friend, in four years Trump will be gone and normalcy will be restored.

America aggressively trying to question Canadian sovereignty makes Canada the fareweather friend..... Got it. With friend like these who needs enemies. The American ignorance on this site is really starting to drive me away.

I've actually found most of the commentary on HN to be on the "holy shit what the hell is he doing, this is crazy and awful" side, as opposed to supportive of it. Which gives me hope.

There seem to be down votes in the other direction, at times, but 1) they seem to get balanced back after a while and 2) the down votes don't often come with any useful commentary, often with none at all - which, for me, I also find comforting.

Re: Canadian Devs Are Backing Out of Attending GDC

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Post by linotype »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #18
3vidence wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

America aggressively trying to question Canadian sovereignty makes Canada the fareweather friend..... Got it. With friend like these who needs enemies. The American ignorance on this site is really starting to drive me away.

I've actually found most of the commentary on HN to be on the "holy shit what the hell is he doing, this is crazy and awful" side, as opposed to supportive of it. Which gives me hope. There seem to be down votes in the other direction, at times, but 1) they seem to get balanced back after a while and 2) the down votes don't often come with any useful commentary, often with none at all - which, for me, I also find com…

I expected my comment to get downvoted due to the anger (rightfully so) from Canadians. People don’t seem to understand that most Americans didn’t vote for Trump and that those that did probably didn’t want him to attack Canada, of all countries.

Re: Canadian Devs Are Backing Out of Attending GDC

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

linotype wrote: post #3

Canada should take up the issue with Trump, not with Americans. I didn’t vote for Trump. I know only a handful of people that did. I highly doubt most of the people attending GDC did. No need to be a fair weather friend, in four years Trump will be gone and normalcy will be restored.

In this case, I believe Canadians are taking issue with the treatment they may get at the border. They don't want to be sent to detention because of a simple misunderstanding with an over zealous border security guard who is scared of losing their job if they accidentally let the left one in.
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