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Re: Show HN: A personal YouTube frontend based on yt-dlp

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netflix (initially at least), spotify and steam have all shown that it's not a money problem, but a service problem. Good services will not get pirated.

What? Literally all those services have piracy problems, and pretty much any time piracy drops it's because of more effective DRM, not service.

Counterexample: steam

They seem to be the only ones who get how piracy can be fought. And its no secret either, gabe newell has that "piracy is a service issue" quote for anyone to read. Its just that these companies dont want to consider not squeezing the life out of their users for shareholder benefit

Re: Show HN: A personal YouTube frontend based on yt-dlp

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tip: Disable YouTube history and go to subscription page for chronological ordered videos. No more "algorithmically curated" videos in YouTube home page.

Why disable youtube history? I have it enabled, and my subscription page works fine.

Disabling YouTube history makes two additional changes: no more "algorithmically curated" videos in your YouTube homepage and no more YouTube Shorts rabbithole.

Re: Show HN: A personal YouTube frontend based on yt-dlp

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I kind of wish people would stop making yt-dlp more accessible and increasing Google's desire to shut it down.

the desire is already there. they've testing DRM for videos as we speak. this cat and mouse game will never end until google creates some anti-cheat with kernel permissions to attest anti-tamper

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Re: Show HN: A personal YouTube frontend based on yt-dlp

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> how so many of the Chinese social media platforms just let you download videos The rate things are going I’ll just have to use those sites instead. YouTube is a weird position. A lot of content is public domain and should be freely downloaded. Other content isn’t. A good middle ground would be for YouTube to just give uploaders an option to enable downloads. I do agree that people need to STOP trying to make yt-dl…

> Like it or not but YouTube is almost entirely funded by ads. You don’t have a right to use the service without paying. I see your point, bit it isn't just the ads. I object to being stalked throughout my life online, they don't have the right to do that IMO. Separate the ads from the stalking and maybe I'll just block or otherwise avoid the stalking and not the ads, but right now that is not remotely possible. I do…

You don't need to use the service.

But at the same time if you have an understanding that their business model demands you accept their terms of service, so they can fund the product, your basic options are participating or not.

The vast vast majority of the time I watch YouTube it's via an official client, and if you feel so strongly about your privacy I'm sure you're knowledgeable enough to sandbox your browser. You can always spin up a VM just for YouTube and run Chrome inside of that.

I rarely download public domain videos for music projects. But this gets harder every week. Eventually I'll just have to grab my phone with an analog audio jack and manually record back into my computer.

Or just download the public domain videos from another site. Yt-dl makes this phenomenally easier, but I definitely understand YouTube's motivations in blocking it.

Re: Show HN: A personal YouTube frontend based on yt-dlp

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I use the "unhook" extension which let's you remove recommendations, set your youtube home page to your subscriptions (chronologically ordered videos), block shorts and more (you can cherrypick the features you want). Highly recommended. I would have paid for youtube premium if I was given these options, honestly.

I have premium and that’s what hurts the most! My issue is mostly on tv connected devices.

So why not just keep Smart tube installed on your TV?

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I would say yes and no (leaning on the no)... I think saying you don't have a right is fine... they are providing a service and dictating it's usage and you are using it. So on the "closing your eyes". On one side, yes, allowing your browser to play the video and YT then being able to treat as a advert view means that youtube gets paid and the creator gets paid. However... I would personally view this as can a person…

Even entertaining the idea is extremely disturbing and dystopian. Having control over what we watch and what we listen to should be basic human rights. And those are inalienable, meaning we can't sign away those rights, not in a contract, not in any terms of service. People who accept that as something a company should be allowed to do are a massive problem. Because of you, they might actually do it. It will start by…

This is like saying you have the rights to mute your work meetings. Sure you do, but you just won't be employed anymore. I don't see that as a problem, because being employed and watching YouTube are not essential services nor human rights.

Re: Show HN: A personal YouTube frontend based on yt-dlp

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We agree most content is only viewed once, and thus DRM is still pointless in terms of advertising revenue from people that likely won't buy anything in the first place. Both YT premium and Netflix is around $100/yr, and I seriously doubt you will find 14TB consumer storage media at that cost. It is a silly behavior for sure =3

At least when I look, YT premium says it is $140/year (or $276/year for a family plan), and Netflix is $216/year. Spotify is $144/year. It's certainly possible to find drives at ~$10/TB. Call it $15/TB if you don't get a great deal and if you want to add some parity. The more interesting point though is that at ~5 GB/hour (a decent bitrate, especially for youtube) and $15/TB, you're looking at ~$0.075/hour of video.…

I don't think your entire family will be streaming 4k at the same time on a Comcast budget connection, as the NOC would start capping your bandwidth rather quickly.

Something about media compression that drew our attention to quality versus efficiency:

"Typically, the production style of low quality media of the same duration creates smaller compressed video data." (Joel's corollary 6)

This was mostly because the producers increased the number of re-used video clips like stock-footage/B-roll, lower grade non-broadcast quality audio, and filming style focused on simpler tripod work with low-textured similar looking environments at fewer locations. Thus, the self-similar nature of low budget films made relatively smaller files, and were compressed into shorter track lengths on storage media.

While the budget constraints are very indicative of bad film, it does not necessarily always mean relatively smaller video files for the same media playtime indicate lame content. However, of the thousands of titles we processed at that company, it was correlated most of the time if all other factors were held the same. Now some people did like "The Chronicles of Riddick: Pitch Black", but with perceptual compression it was a tiny track-length compared to most other films.

I'd wager streaming media ultimately has similar unconscious fiscal incentives to create lower quality content that decreases distribution costs.

Best of luck =3

Re: Show HN: A personal YouTube frontend based on yt-dlp

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I mean, the root of the problem is that there is essentially only one "Youtube" that isn't a public service. Not sure if you make this better by leaning into it or not.

Why should it be a public service?

Because it's such an integral part of every day life for many people.

Re: Show HN: A personal YouTube frontend based on yt-dlp

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> how so many of the Chinese social media platforms just let you download videos The rate things are going I’ll just have to use those sites instead. YouTube is a weird position. A lot of content is public domain and should be freely downloaded. Other content isn’t. A good middle ground would be for YouTube to just give uploaders an option to enable downloads. I do agree that people need to STOP trying to make yt-dl…

> Like it or not but YouTube is almost entirely funded by ads. You don’t have a right to use the service without paying. I see your point, bit it isn't just the ads. I object to being stalked throughout my life online, they don't have the right to do that IMO. Separate the ads from the stalking and maybe I'll just block or otherwise avoid the stalking and not the ads, but right now that is not remotely possible. I do…

re- the sponsor blocks. I find it quite eye opening too. Some creators I follow have created there channel with an image of trustworthiness, and then they have a sponserblock scripted word for word same as other channels... That really lost them most of their credibility in my eyes.

If they're willing to pretend they use something and love it for ads, then I don't know if I can watch there stuff. If they just say, xyz company has paid use to advertise this, we tried it for a few days, we found it helpful, that would be fine, but don't pretend/lie that you've been using it for years.

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