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Re: Show HN: A personal YouTube frontend based on yt-dlp

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Post by latexr »

nkmnz wrote: post #200
999900000999 wrote: post #129

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> how so many of the Chinese social media platforms just let you download videos The rate things are going I’ll just have to use those sites instead. YouTube is a weird position. A lot of content is public domain and should be freely downloaded. Other content isn’t. A good middle ground would be for YouTube to just give uploaders an option to enable downloads. I do agree that people need to STOP trying to make yt-dl…

> Like it or not but YouTube is almost entirely funded by ads. You don’t have a right to use the service without paying. Am I still allowed to close my eyes and turn down the volume when some ad is shown?

Not if the ad industry gets a say in it.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sony-patent-mcdonalds/

Re: Show HN: A personal YouTube frontend based on yt-dlp

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Post by latexr »

HeatrayEnjoyer wrote: post #186
msravi wrote: post #179

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Maybe they'll come up with a solution that requires you to turn on your camera while on youtube so that they can detect if you have your eyes and ears unblocked during ads. Blocked-eyes-blocked-ears detected = popup that pauses the video and asks you to unblock before continuing.

This is an actual black mirror episode

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifteen_Million_Merits

Re: Show HN: A personal YouTube frontend based on yt-dlp

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Post by latexr »

Arainach wrote: post #165
moron4hire wrote: post #99

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That's not true, there are still lots of ads that you'll have to sit through. They're just not out there by Google, they're out their by the video creator. Which, I get it, YouTube isn't paying them enough and they gotta eat. So, it kind of feels like YouTube letting them post their own ads is an intentional choice on YouTube's part to not give me the service I'm paying for.

This is a weird take. What is an "ad", and how would you expect any company to remove in-video "ads" without rampant accusations of censorship? If a channel posts a review of a piece of hardware that was sent to them for free by the manufacturer is the entire video an ad?

> What is an "ad"

Considering YouTubers have to disclose paid promotions, this isn’t nearly as grey as your question suggests.

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/154235

Re: Show HN: A personal YouTube frontend based on yt-dlp

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Post by greggyb »

atum47 wrote: post #35
greggyb wrote: post #28

A question for the author or anyone else who has experience in similar solutions. Is there any good solution for discovering new content? Much of the time, I want to stick to my subscriptions, but I do enjoy content surfaced by the algorithm at least once weekly, sometimes more often. My concern in taking my viewing off-platform is twofold: 1) going to YouTube will prompt me with all the stuff I've already watched of…

I've been using a third party app to watch the videos and the official app to discover content. Instead of just clicking the video I click share and watch on the unofficial with no ads.

Does this have an apparent impact on your recommendations?

Re: Show HN: A personal YouTube frontend based on yt-dlp

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Post by margana »

mrmattyboy wrote: post #175
WD-42 wrote: post #144

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Us not having the right seems a little extreme. What if I close my eyes and block my ears during evey ad? Do I not have the right to use YouTube then?

I would say yes and no (leaning on the no)... I think saying you don't have a right is fine... they are providing a service and dictating it's usage and you are using it. So on the "closing your eyes". On one side, yes, allowing your browser to play the video and YT then being able to treat as a advert view means that youtube gets paid and the creator gets paid. However... I would personally view this as can a person…

Even entertaining the idea is extremely disturbing and dystopian. Having control over what we watch and what we listen to should be basic human rights. And those are inalienable, meaning we can't sign away those rights, not in a contract, not in any terms of service.

People who accept that as something a company should be allowed to do are a massive problem. Because of you, they might actually do it. It will start by making sure you cannot mute the sound in any way, designing hardware in a way to enforce that - devices will start overriding the use of external speakers and play ads from internal ones to make absolutely sure you haven't muted it. Next they will force always-on cameras on us which will make sure our eyes are open and looking at the ad. Next we will have brain implants to make sure you're actually paying attention and not thinking about something else.

I find it extremely disturbing that you don't feel disgusted about even thinking of "yes".

Re: Show HN: A personal YouTube frontend based on yt-dlp

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Post by syeare »

LightHugger wrote: post #184
999900000999 wrote: post #129

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> how so many of the Chinese social media platforms just let you download videos The rate things are going I’ll just have to use those sites instead. YouTube is a weird position. A lot of content is public domain and should be freely downloaded. Other content isn’t. A good middle ground would be for YouTube to just give uploaders an option to enable downloads. I do agree that people need to STOP trying to make yt-dl…

the advertising industry doesn't have a right to invade people's privacy on an unprecedented level, and create a massive black market for reselling people's personal information. But they do, so adblocking is, at the moment, the ethical and morally correct option. If you work in a part of the advertising industry with any kind of privacy invasion you deserve to lose your job and have your business be shut down, in so…

Can you iterate on that? I would like to understand what you are saying. By jail time, do you mean advertisers on YouTube have done such a malicious thing? YT did not block these efforts?

Re: Show HN: A personal YouTube frontend based on yt-dlp

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Post by margana »

chii wrote: post #149
Gigachad wrote: post #85

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Yes, people prefer to get stuff for free rather than paying for it. That's not a very interesting insight.

netflix (initially at least), spotify and steam have all shown that it's not a money problem, but a service problem. Good services will not get pirated.

Piracy isn't even the main use case of yt-dlp. It's archival of videos that you want to keep a copy of in case something happens to the video. There is literally no way to get that "feature" by paying Google. But you are correct that yt-dlp would not be necessary if Google offered an option to download videos (also in an automated way because many people have something set up to archive certain videos automatically).

Re: Show HN: A personal YouTube frontend based on yt-dlp

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Post by CuriouslyC »

thomassmith65 wrote: post #140
nadermx wrote: post #134

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Not sure it was ever youtubes desire to shut it down. Why would they, as there are a multitude of reasons why someone would want a video off a platform. It was the RIAA's, since there the ones who sent the takedown.

This year AlphaGoogle has an initiative to kill ad-blockers. To that end, Youtube now aborts playback after 60 seconds if it cannot contact its ad server to play commercials. It's clear where this is heading: 1) Youtube will go after software like yt-dlp to ensure only AlphaGoogle-sanctioned players can play its videos 2) Youtube will encode commercials directly into the videos it streams Both will come to pass. It's…

And we'll have middleware that detects and splices out commercials based on frame fingerprints not long after. People hate ads.

It'll definitely trouble the non-technical set though.

Re: Show HN: A personal YouTube frontend based on yt-dlp

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Post by samrus »

Gigachad wrote: post #85
jjulius wrote: post #79

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I'd say it's less people's fault and more Google's for driving people to want something like it.

Yes, people prefer to get stuff for free rather than paying for it. That's not a very interesting insight.

This is not correct. Look at steam, PC gamers overwhelmingly choosing paid DRM controlled games over free piracy, even for small indie games that have basically no protections

Ill say again what gabe newell said. Piracy isnt a price problem, but a service issue. Its convenient, if you can make a legit way to get the product thats as convenient for the user as piracy, then they will pay for it

Re: Show HN: A personal YouTube frontend based on yt-dlp

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Post by samrus »

Arainach wrote: post #165
moron4hire wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not true, there are still lots of ads that you'll have to sit through. They're just not out there by Google, they're out their by the video creator. Which, I get it, YouTube isn't paying them enough and they gotta eat. So, it kind of feels like YouTube letting them post their own ads is an intentional choice on YouTube's part to not give me the service I'm paying for.

This is a weird take. What is an "ad", and how would you expect any company to remove in-video "ads" without rampant accusations of censorship? If a channel posts a review of a piece of hardware that was sent to them for free by the manufacturer is the entire video an ad?

> What is an "ad", and how would you expect any company to remove in-video "ads" without rampant accusations of censorship?

This is solved. Crowdsourcing. Look up sponsorblock

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