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Re: Show HN: A personal YouTube frontend based on yt-dlp

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Post by triyambakam »

siavosh wrote: post #46
tmpz22 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I view Discovery as a social problem where the content you want is almost always clustered between a relatively small number of creators, regions, etc. Technically it then becomes less of an indexing everything problem and more of a find a few cornerstone creators, say Khan academy, and occasionally branching out. So to answer your question I don’t thing the cost/benefit for automating discovery is much better then s…

There’s a lot of truth to this but one of the most powerful elements of a discovery algorithm is finding things you completely did not look for, ie Christopher Columbus and the western continents. Like your cornerstones are iOS and recipe videos but you discover the right dance video and it changes your whole life.

I.e., that is (remember is and i)

E.g., for example (remember example and e)

Re: Show HN: A personal YouTube frontend based on yt-dlp

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Post by lofaszvanitt »

tracerbulletx wrote: post #68

I kind of wish people would stop making yt-dlp more accessible and increasing Google's desire to shut it down.

people are idiots... and trying to become famous by using the lowest hanging fruit, hence killing it in the process.

Re: Show HN: A personal YouTube frontend based on yt-dlp

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Post by dijit »

nulld3v wrote: post #116
Gigachad wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. Youtube downloaders are essential for backup purposes and for getting clips to put in your own videos as fair use. But people turning them in to fully user facing ad free frontends are driving the crackdown on the tools so we will end up with no way at all to download videos.. Would be nice if Youtube just let premium users download the actual video files. What I find interesting is how so many of the Chinese…

YouTube downloaders have existed since the dawn of YouTube. And I really don't think they have jumped in popularity recently or anything.

They get shut down constantly if they become popular though.

yt-dlp is itself a fork of the (very popular) youtube-dl

Re: Show HN: A personal YouTube frontend based on yt-dlp

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Post by modmodmod »

lofaszvanitt wrote: post #122
tracerbulletx wrote: post #68

I kind of wish people would stop making yt-dlp more accessible and increasing Google's desire to shut it down.

people are idiots... and trying to become famous by using the lowest hanging fruit, hence killing it in the process.

Yesss, let’s generalize everything, that’s how we got where we are right now. Bravo!

Re: Show HN: A personal YouTube frontend based on yt-dlp

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Post by soulofmischief »

dijit wrote: post #124
nulld3v wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YouTube downloaders have existed since the dawn of YouTube. And I really don't think they have jumped in popularity recently or anything.

They get shut down constantly if they become popular though. yt-dlp is itself a fork of the (very popular) youtube-dl

youtube-dl just went largely dormant. There was a fiasco involving a unit test specifically downloading copyrighted content, but it was corrected. yt-dlp just became the more active fork.

Re: Show HN: A personal YouTube frontend based on yt-dlp

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Post by dijit »

soulofmischief wrote: post #126
dijit wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They get shut down constantly if they become popular though. yt-dlp is itself a fork of the (very popular) youtube-dl

youtube-dl just went largely dormant. There was a fiasco involving a unit test specifically downloading copyrighted content, but it was corrected. yt-dlp just became the more active fork.

You've identified the reason for the fork, but not the reason the projects maintainers burned out in the first place.

youtube-dl were under the microscope and were even unlisted from github at one point[0].

And as recent as 1yr ago had their website taken offline[1].

[0]: https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/jgtzum/youtube...

[1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/youtubedl/comments/15wx4sl/youtubed...

Re: Show HN: A personal YouTube frontend based on yt-dlp

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Post by dinkumthinkum »

Konnstann wrote: post #104
aucisson_masque wrote: post #98

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> lot of power users and creators would find the YouTube platform useless for themselves and abandon it en masse for its nearest competitor. Not so sure, since everything is monetized nowadays (YouTuber make video to earn money) and the audience is there, i don't see how they could move anywhere.

YouTube is mostly there as an advertisement tool nowadays, once you get any amount of an audience youtube revenue becomes a small piece of your income compared to things like Patreon, live streaming elsewhere, and even alternative hosting sources like floatplane or Nebula where creators will host exclusive content.

I hear you ... but I think you are massively downplaying how much many creators are earning a living largely off of YouTube monetization. You are right about that for some portion of creators but there are many that are earning most of their income off monetization (both from ads and premium).

Re: Show HN: A personal YouTube frontend based on yt-dlp

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Post by 999900000999 »

Gigachad wrote: post #84
tracerbulletx wrote: post #68

I kind of wish people would stop making yt-dlp more accessible and increasing Google's desire to shut it down.

Agreed. Youtube downloaders are essential for backup purposes and for getting clips to put in your own videos as fair use. But people turning them in to fully user facing ad free frontends are driving the crackdown on the tools so we will end up with no way at all to download videos.. Would be nice if Youtube just let premium users download the actual video files. What I find interesting is how so many of the Chinese…

> how so many of the Chinese social media platforms just let you download videos

The rate things are going I’ll just have to use those sites instead.

YouTube is a weird position. A lot of content is public domain and should be freely downloaded. Other content isn’t.

A good middle ground would be for YouTube to just give uploaders an option to enable downloads.

I do agree that people need to STOP trying to make yt-dl easy to use to the point it actually competes with YouTube. YouTube Red when you factor in music is a very good deal. I’ve been subscribed for years.

Like it or not but YouTube is almost entirely funded by ads. You don’t have a right to use the service without paying.

Re: Show HN: A personal YouTube frontend based on yt-dlp

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Post by soulofmischief »

dijit wrote: post #127
soulofmischief wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

youtube-dl just went largely dormant. There was a fiasco involving a unit test specifically downloading copyrighted content, but it was corrected. yt-dlp just became the more active fork.

You've identified the reason for the fork, but not the reason the projects maintainers burned out in the first place. youtube-dl were under the microscope and were even unlisted from github at one point[0]. And as recent as 1yr ago had their website taken offline[1]. [0]: https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/jgtzum/youtube... [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/youtubedl/comments/15wx4sl/youtubed...

The unlisting from GitHub was precisely due to the reason I mentioned, and Nat Friedman himself, CEO of GitHub at the time, dropped into the youtube-dl development IRC, assured the team that he had their back, and that the moment the infringing test was fixed, he would personally restore access, which he did posthaste.

Regarding the website being taken down, it was hosted in Germany and it was a German court order. Germany is notorious for this stuff, and it should never have been hosted there. If they wanted, they could have found a more reasonable host.

I understand the burnout, but it comes with the territory, and powerful enough people made it clear that the team did have their support. With some effort, the project could have continued on at full pace at least as uninhibited as its forks.

Now the URL just redirects to the yt-dlp GitHub repository, anyway.

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