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Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by ArthurStacks »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #804
ArthurStacks wrote: post #802

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It's just a case that nothing can be done about it. They can protest about it, but a European, Japanese, Chinese, or Russia company will just continue oblivious that there even was any protest. Commercial creatives have to accept it is happening and adapt.

It used to be rich people got nervous when a big group of precarious workers suddenly became desperate non-workers all at once. > accept it is happening and adapt. Are you going to follow this advice if they adapt by simply taking all your shit at gunpoint? I don't know if I was positioned and planning to personally benefit from the mass destruction of people's livelihoods I'd at least keep a low key about it you kno…

If I lived in the USA I would be concerned, but I live in Switzerland and have residency in two other wealth haven countries, with businesses across multiple European countries. It isn't something that is an issue for me given the attitudes to wealth where I live.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by anticensor »

jncfhnb wrote: post #751
triceratops wrote: post #174

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> It absolutely is fair use to copy a book for your personal archives. There's no legal precedent for this. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43356042 > the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work A copyright holder's lawyer would argue that having and using a photocopy of a book keeps the original from wearing out. This directly affects the potential market for the wor…

You’re now arguing the assumption without a precedent you don’t have the right to do something. That’s not how the law works. If you believe that the courts would laugh at a publisher trying to bring suit against you for doing this, then you believe you have the right to do it. Such a case would not require a year or a ton of money to defend. In fact, the potential damages would be so small that you could sensibly do…

Copyright law is explicitly outside the scope of small claims and consumer tribunal systems.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by SebFender »

This dudes (can't write his name) way of thinking on content disrupts fair use by scaling copyrighted material consumption without clear boundaries - and somebody needs to stop this.

Unlike human-driven transformation, AI replicates patterns, creating derivative works that compete with originals.

OpenAI profits from this without compensating creators, undermining economic incentives for human creativity altogether.

All this instead of relying on fair use, it should pursue licensing to uphold intellectual property rights - and if that doesn't work it then means the business plan is bad.

It's just like saying - "If I need to pay for the food, I won't be able to make my plates."

Bad plan - bad business.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by giraffe_lady »

ArthurStacks wrote: post #821
giraffe_lady wrote: post #804

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It used to be rich people got nervous when a big group of precarious workers suddenly became desperate non-workers all at once. > accept it is happening and adapt. Are you going to follow this advice if they adapt by simply taking all your shit at gunpoint? I don't know if I was positioned and planning to personally benefit from the mass destruction of people's livelihoods I'd at least keep a low key about it you kno…

If I lived in the USA I would be concerned, but I live in Switzerland and have residency in two other wealth haven countries, with businesses across multiple European countries. It isn't something that is an issue for me given the attitudes to wealth where I live.

That sounds great you sound delightful and clearly nothing to be worried about because nothing like that ever changes so you'll be fine forever I'll leave you to your gloating now. Make sure you keep doing it all in public like this just in case though.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by dartos »

dmix wrote: post #718
breckenedge wrote: post #709

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If they’re not making money[1], and competitors are, or competitors are able to run at a negative for longer, then things could definitely wrap up for them quickly. To most consumers, LLMs will be a feature (of Google/Bing/X/Meta/OS), not a product itself. [1] https://www.itpro.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/peo...

I remember for years people on HN said Uber would never work as a profitable business because it spent a lot of VC money earlier on without having enough revenue to cover it all. It's been around for 16yrs now despite running in the black until 2023.

Do you remember when people also thought rabbit would be a revolutionary AI device?

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by NBJack »

claude_thinking wrote: post #767
breckenedge wrote: post #709

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If they’re not making money[1], and competitors are, or competitors are able to run at a negative for longer, then things could definitely wrap up for them quickly. To most consumers, LLMs will be a feature (of Google/Bing/X/Meta/OS), not a product itself. [1] https://www.itpro.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/peo...

> To most consumers, LLMs will be a feature (of Google/Bing/X/Meta/OS), not a product itself. OpenAI rejected a 97.4B USD buyout in February 2025 and won’t be absorbed anytime soon: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/14/technology/openai-elon-mu...

Don't worry; they'll have plenty of time to regret that.

There's a reason they're sweating the data issue. As much as it sucks to say it, Google/Bing/Meta/etc. all have a shitton of proprietary human-generated data they can work with, train on, fine tune with, etc. OpenAI _needs_ more human generated data desperately to keep going.

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Post by falcor84 »

andsoitis wrote: post #819
jlev wrote: post #135

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Aaron Swartz, cofounder of Reddit and inventor of RSS and Markdown, was hounded to death by an overzealous prosecutor for downloading articles from JSTOR, with the intent to learn from them. He was charged with over a million dollars in fines and could have faced 35 years in prison. He and Sam Altman were in the same YC class. OpenAI is doing the same thing at a larger scale, and their technology actually reproduces…

> for downloading articles from JSTOR, with the intent to learn from them For context, according to sources, he downloaded 4.8 million articles.

Maybe he was about to train an LLM on them /s

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by dacryn »

swexbe wrote: post #788
adventured wrote: post #773

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OpenAI has a gigantic moat. No moat means Joe Anybody can compete with them. You just need billions in capital, a zillion GPUs, thousands of hyper skilled employees. You need to somehow get the attention of tens of millions of consumers (and then pull them away from the competition, ha). Sure. The same premise was endlessly floated about eg Uber and Google having no moats (Google was going to be killed by open search…

Microsoft is providing the compute, the capital, and if 365 Copilot takes off, also the consumers. Microsoft has a mote. Oai does not.

365 is not taking off. Numbers are average at best. Most companies now pay 20/user/month extra, and whilst the sentiment is that it likely kina is somehow worth it, nobody claims it would be better than break even. Many users are deeply disappointed with the overpromising in powerpoint and excel. Sure it's quite useful in outlook and the assistant is great to find files in scattered sharepoints, but that's the limit of my value with it.

OpenAI copilot, not microsoft copilot, actually looks like a stronger product and they're going full force after the enterprise market as we speak. We're setting a demo in motion with them next month to give it a go.

We'll have to wait for the first one to crack Powerpoint, that'll be the gamechanger.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by dacryn »

tdeck wrote: post #238
hnlurker22 wrote: post #206

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Just like when people complain about OpenAI's ill practices then they use it the most

Can anyone say which of the LLM companies is the least "shady"? If I want to use an LLM to augment my work, and don't have a massively powerful local machine to run local models, what are the best options? Obviously I saw the news about OpenAI's head of research openly supporting war crimes, but I don't feel confident about what's up with the other companies.

claude and mistral seem to be in a good ethical place.

You actually can't fault llama either, as a standalone product. However it's still in Zuck Paradise

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