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Apple will soon support encrypted RCS messaging with Android users

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Re: Apple will soon support encrypted RCS messaging with Android users

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Post by Twisell »

devilbunny wrote: post #143
rzz3 wrote: post #133

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You admit that you’re getting older, and I think that’s part of the disconnect with emojis. OK does not convey the same thing. You’re talking about having to zoom in to see the emoji, and the younger crowd already has every one memorized. The reactions may not help you but I’d say for most of us, they do help.

> OK does not convey the same thing. Fine. Is "10-4" or "copy that" or "Roger" acceptable? Because the whole point of that text, in a work context (and this is always a work conversation; I like my partners but I'm not personal friends with them), is to convey "I have received your message". And a reaction generates an SMS that is, until you realize what it is, kind of incomprehensible. "Loved '[my comment]'" makes n…

Well you actually make a point for short reaction standardized support.

You won't be able to alter behavior of everyone around you. So at least the software should render these interactions in the least obnoxious way by being consistent on both side.

You will always be able to ask for textual clarification. But the big win is that you won't be bothered by sub-par quoting repost.

Re: Apple will soon support encrypted RCS messaging with Android users

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Post by chneu »

lxgr wrote: post #82
chneu wrote: post #19

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GVoice gets forgotten about, I swear. There are years between updates and then suddenly for like 6 months it'll get a slew of updates, most of which aren't user-facing. Then back to update silence. It's really odd. I'm still amazed that google hasn't killed it.

I hope it stays that way. I'm almost certain that the minute management remembers it's there, it will get shut down, at least for non-paid (i.e. GSuite) accounts.

My hunch is that google uses it for something internally or there's some random government agency that uses it so Google can't quite retire it yet.

Or Gvoice is some backbone service that something else uses. Idk, but it has to be used for something for Google to have not killed it yet.

Re: Apple will soon support encrypted RCS messaging with Android users

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Post by zuppy »

h0l0cube wrote: post #139
MBCook wrote: post #90

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What false pretense? They dictate two different ways of sending messages with different capabilities.

If they were functionally equivalent, why signal a difference? What's the benefit, you think? I'm not saying that they definitely would signal a difference, but in this hypothetical, if the color difference remained, it would be obvious why.

because they can’t support the same functionality. apple would add something new, they would want no constraints to what they can do.

Re: Apple will soon support encrypted RCS messaging with Android users

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Post by theshackleford »

devilbunny wrote: post #143
rzz3 wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You admit that you’re getting older, and I think that’s part of the disconnect with emojis. OK does not convey the same thing. You’re talking about having to zoom in to see the emoji, and the younger crowd already has every one memorized. The reactions may not help you but I’d say for most of us, they do help.

> OK does not convey the same thing. Fine. Is "10-4" or "copy that" or "Roger" acceptable? Because the whole point of that text, in a work context (and this is always a work conversation; I like my partners but I'm not personal friends with them), is to convey "I have received your message". And a reaction generates an SMS that is, until you realize what it is, kind of incomprehensible. "Loved '[my comment]'" makes n…

> I have trouble seeing how they help anyone.

That sounds like a problem unique to yourself and I imagine this is not the only such case in which you struggle.

Re: Apple will soon support encrypted RCS messaging with Android users

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Post by mjlee »

h0l0cube wrote: post #60
MBCook wrote: post #44

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Yep. They’re never going away. Blue = iMessage Green = Other It doesn’t matter if both support 100% identical feature sets, it’s gonna stay like that.

At least the false pretence would vanish if both support 100%

What about when either changes? Do you expect them to alternate colour schemes as each protocol plays catch up or gets more features?

Re: Apple will soon support encrypted RCS messaging with Android users

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Post by mjlee »

devilbunny wrote: post #112
KennyBlanken wrote: post #104

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The thumbed up reaction is useful because you can react to something specific in a fast-paced conversation. iMessage also allows replying to a specific message, which is also useful for the same reasons. > With more complex emoji I have to screenshot the text and then pull up the image to zoom on it to even tell what it is. ...you can make the font bigger. Or get glasses. > I'd silence the conversation, except that i…

> The thumbed up reaction is useful because you can react to something specific in a fast-paced conversation. iMessage also allows replying to a specific message, which is also useful for the same reasons. A makes joke. B and C react "laugh". D replies with sub-joke. E, F, and G react "groan". Produce this little cascade every time a serious topic is brought up and someone makes an offhand joke as a lead-in to a seri…

> A makes joke. B and C react "laugh". D replies with sub-joke. E, F, and G react "groan". Produce this little cascade every time a serious topic is brought up and someone makes an offhand joke as a lead-in to a serious topic.

iMessages/SMS is not a conversation or an email and the same rules don't apply. You don't have the recipient's attention for any longer than it takes to read the message you've sent. If you want to make a joke then make a point you need to do both in the same message.

You should look at how to zoom on your iPhone - https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/iphone/iph3e2e367e/ios

Re: Apple will soon support encrypted RCS messaging with Android users

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Post by AndrewSwift »

leosanchez wrote: post #148
ZeWaka wrote: post #136

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Ads? Where? There's no spot in Google Messages for them.

Rampant spam has forced Google to turn off RCS ads in India[0] [0] https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/1/23150243/google-rcs-ads-in...

It's not RCS that was turned off, just "Business Messaging", meant for trusted companies to communicate with their customers.

Re: Apple will soon support encrypted RCS messaging with Android users

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Post by devilbunny »

theshackleford wrote: post #154
devilbunny wrote: post #143

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> OK does not convey the same thing. Fine. Is "10-4" or "copy that" or "Roger" acceptable? Because the whole point of that text, in a work context (and this is always a work conversation; I like my partners but I'm not personal friends with them), is to convey "I have received your message". And a reaction generates an SMS that is, until you realize what it is, kind of incomprehensible. "Loved '[my comment]'" makes n…

> I have trouble seeing how they help anyone. That sounds like a problem unique to yourself and I imagine this is not the only such case in which you struggle.

Imagine away.

Re: Apple will soon support encrypted RCS messaging with Android users

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Post by hashworks »

diego_sandoval wrote: post #67
kelnos wrote: post #47

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Defaults matter. While I've gotten some of my friends and family members to install and use Signal, I still have more chats via SMS/MMS (and more recently RCS, since Apple finally started supporting it) than I do on all other messaging apps combined.

Where (and why) is that? I'm from Chile, and the last time I sent an SMS (or heard of anyone sending an SMS) must have been like 12 years ago. Ever since then, everyone has used Whatsapp or Telegram instead.

If you decline to use WhatsApp you need to use SMS for a lot of contacts in Germany. Or RCS since the latest iOS update.
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