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Google Being Forced to Sell Chrome Is Not Good for the Web

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Re: Google Being Forced to Sell Chrome Is Not Good for the Web

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Alphabet tried to kill adblock in Chrome, so...

It's conjecture at best that killing adblock was related to manifest v3. Given apple also rolled out the same sorts of restrictions years earlier, there is strong precedent for this being purely a security improvement measure. Especially when you consider how problematic and prevalent malware extensions are.

Re: Google Being Forced to Sell Chrome Is Not Good for the Web

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The constitution establishes that a core role of government is to provide for the general welfare of the people, and public health is part of that. I’m generally in favor with government efforts to combat misinformation. I’m also fine with wartime propaganda within limits for similar reasons.

Given the dreadful state of public health this is a total fail. Epidemic obesity alone is a nightmare: heart disease, cancer, stroke, you name it.

Trump, to his credit, is taking fentanyl seriously but heart disease is a bigger killer.

Re: Google Being Forced to Sell Chrome Is Not Good for the Web

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Do you want to cite a source?

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I honestly don't see what the issue is. "Pressuring" in this case just means "asking". Nobody was punished for not fulfilling these requests.

And funding research grants into studying misinformation doesn't really bother me either. Maybe there are better ways to spend the money but you could argue that about almost anything.

Also, none of what you linked points to the Biden administration paying tech companies to remove content.

Re: Google Being Forced to Sell Chrome Is Not Good for the Web

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> Users don’t pay for Chrome. There aren’t ads in Chrome. There is no direct business model for Chrome. Unlike Safari and Firefox, nobody writes checks to Chrome to make a certain search engine the default. They track you. There IS a business model for Chrome: monetizing user data.

There isn’t a business model for a company whose product is just chrome, though. Unless it’s some kind of foundation or non-profit with a sufficient endowment to not need a business model. I’m no fan of Google, but—unless people really want browser subscriptions—I don’t see how you can have a browser company today. They exist better as a byproduct of some other business model.

Browsers aren't a product because massive companies give it away and destroy the market.

If any product was given away by massively rich companies there would be "no market" for it, because it was destroyed.

Re: Google Being Forced to Sell Chrome Is Not Good for the Web

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I don't get the negative comments here. It's pretty simple I think... - Google is banned from paying Firefox to be the default search engine -> Firefox has way less money -> Firefox development massively slows - Someone buys Chrome and needs to turn a profit from Chrome, rather than using it to indirectly profit from the web in general like Google does -> Chrome probably goes to shit and development massively slows S…

>moving the web forward

What constitutes "forward" to you

Re: Google Being Forced to Sell Chrome Is Not Good for the Web

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There isn’t a business model for a company whose product is just chrome, though. Unless it’s some kind of foundation or non-profit with a sufficient endowment to not need a business model. I’m no fan of Google, but—unless people really want browser subscriptions—I don’t see how you can have a browser company today. They exist better as a byproduct of some other business model.

Browsers aren't a product because massive companies give it away and destroy the market. If any product was given away by massively rich companies there would be "no market" for it, because it was destroyed .

Well, I for one don't want to pay $15/mo for my browser: I'm happy for it to be the complement of some company's product.

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I honestly don't see what the issue is. "Pressuring" in this case just means "asking". Nobody was punished for not fulfilling these requests. And funding research grants into studying misinformation doesn't really bother me either. Maybe there are better ways to spend the money but you could argue that about almost anything. Also, none of what you linked points to the Biden administration paying tech companies to rem…

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Re: Google Being Forced to Sell Chrome Is Not Good for the Web

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There's such a strong strain of dark side energy aimed at Google. It just feels so unhinged to me though. Blink-dev is an amazing mailing list of really good improvements being built intelligently, in well declared fashion, with lots of checks via standards bodies, fully open to discussion. There's very few places on the planet where such good work is so easy to see, and no where that it's so abundant. https://groups…

>What features has Google killed, do you think? How often has this been a problem, do you think? Unless you've been living under a rock, it's hard to miss manifest v2 vs v3.

Agreed, that stings. Its extremely visible & painful. I want to believe there was some intent, to make extensions that weren't such an extreme hazard, so that the Google Web Store could be better. But it's obviously just a massive regression in user agency, and miserable, and directly undoes so much of the good that was the web.

I still think this is, like, the one example. Its a bloody awful one though.

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I honestly don't see what the issue is. "Pressuring" in this case just means "asking". Nobody was punished for not fulfilling these requests. And funding research grants into studying misinformation doesn't really bother me either. Maybe there are better ways to spend the money but you could argue that about almost anything. Also, none of what you linked points to the Biden administration paying tech companies to rem…

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2nd link contains no such information. Nowhere in the article does it say tech companies were paid to censor anything.
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