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Google Being Forced to Sell Chrome Is Not Good for the Web

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Re: Google Being Forced to Sell Chrome Is Not Good for the Web

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The constitution establishes that a core role of government is to provide for the general welfare of the people, and public health is part of that. I’m generally in favor with government efforts to combat misinformation. I’m also fine with wartime propaganda within limits for similar reasons.

Aaaand that is why trump won.

Re: Google Being Forced to Sell Chrome Is Not Good for the Web

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I think he's confused. Google has to sell Chrome for reasons unrelated to whether Google was paying to be the default on their competitors products.

Google has to sell Chrome for reasons that don't even imply fault or wrongdoing. It lowers the level of competition to an unacceptable level for Google to own Chrome; and when Google owns Chrome, the temptation to do things like pay to be the default search engine in your competitors products in order to manipulate their behavior is too high.

The fact that they were actually doing something like that is a separate problem. And it will not be fixed by punishing them, it will be fixed by telling them to stop doing it. This is a long overdue intervention, not a criminal trial.

Re: Google Being Forced to Sell Chrome Is Not Good for the Web

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The premise of this post is flawed. The government is trying to bar Google from paying browser vendors to make them the default: https://www.theverge.com/2024/11/20/24300617/doj-google-sear... > Other remedies the government is asking the court to impose include prohibiting Google from offering money or anything of value to third parties — including Apple and other phone-makers — to make Google’s search engine the de…

What worries me is what's going to happen to Mozilla without those payments.

Re: Google Being Forced to Sell Chrome Is Not Good for the Web

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> They have the right to do that, but that operating system exists to serve that company only and entirely.

See, here and I thought the primary purpose of software was to benefit the users.

About what you would expect from an article which sounds like it is going to play apologist to big tech monopolies.

Re: Google Being Forced to Sell Chrome Is Not Good for the Web

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I don't get the negative comments here. It's pretty simple I think... - Google is banned from paying Firefox to be the default search engine -> Firefox has way less money -> Firefox development massively slows - Someone buys Chrome and needs to turn a profit from Chrome, rather than using it to indirectly profit from the web in general like Google does -> Chrome probably goes to shit and development massively slows S…

> So what now? Safari is going to be the leading force moving the web forward?

Even Safari is massively subsidized by Google paying to be the default browser. If those billions go away, engineering investment will be cut.

Re: Google Being Forced to Sell Chrome Is Not Good for the Web

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> They made a browser to invest in the web itself But that investment isn’t neutral. It’s oriented towards making the Web a better place for Google to make money—not a better place for users to avoid being tracked by Google. Chrome’s dominant position means Google can kill any new web feature that would help users, but hurt Google’s bottom line.

There's such a strong strain of dark side energy aimed at Google. It just feels so unhinged to me though.

Blink-dev is an amazing mailing list of really good improvements being built intelligently, in well declared fashion, with lots of checks via standards bodies, fully open to discussion. There's very few places on the planet where such good work is so easy to see, and no where that it's so abundant. https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/blink-dev

What features has Google killed, do you think? How often has this been a problem, do you think? What other browsers have gone ahead, with Google holding out?

Google wants a competent capable successful healthy web. They want there to be an open, standards & protocols system out there, a connected rich hypermedia internet, because everything else humanity has done with computing is proprietary and trying to rely on someone else's platform is existentially hazardous.

Re: Google Being Forced to Sell Chrome Is Not Good for the Web

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Being forced to give away Unix was a great remedy for AT&Ts monopoly. "But that makes no sense! AT&T isn't a computer company, why should it be forced to stop making operating systems for profit?"

Microsoft welded Explorer into the guts of its OS so they could say, after forcing it to be true, that the browser was an essential part of the system. But Microsoft made business software, why should it have to change IE? That's crazy!

I wouldn't be surprised if this guy was some astroturfed paid lobbyist for Alphabet's PR firm. Would you?

Re: Google Being Forced to Sell Chrome Is Not Good for the Web

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It's wild that the author points to all the Google people writing W3C specs as if that's a positive sign. I'm not quite pessimistic enough to say all those people are 100% corporate shills, but there's no reason to expect that the stuff that gets into the W3C via Google is somehow magically detached from Google's profit motives. Google's effect on web standards is largely just another form of icky "embrace and extend" shenanigans.

Re: Google Being Forced to Sell Chrome Is Not Good for the Web

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The constitution establishes that a core role of government is to provide for the general welfare of the people, and public health is part of that. I’m generally in favor with government efforts to combat misinformation. I’m also fine with wartime propaganda within limits for similar reasons.

I am not fine with war time propaganda. I want to know what the government is choosing to do and why.

I am not against war and even the occasional puff piece about how sexy the latest military tech is sexy is fine. It still is necessary in this day and age to stomp those that strip others of human rights and lives, yet I cannot think of any military action since Vietnam I have felt comfortable that I have not been outright lied to about underlying causes, methods used, and the after affects.

My full adult life it has seemed the government is convinced it is the Illuminati with a mandate to gaslight the public. That bad decisions don’t matter and no one is responsible seems like a horrible status quo when lives, the environment, and our tax dollars are at stake.

9/11 turned wartime propaganda into an excuse to strip freedoms that certain parties have been lusting after and no promises were kept about timelines for them being returned. When trust is abused to that extent the government should lose any rights to do so again.

Re: Google Being Forced to Sell Chrome Is Not Good for the Web

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> They made a browser to invest in the web itself But that investment isn’t neutral. It’s oriented towards making the Web a better place for Google to make money—not a better place for users to avoid being tracked by Google. Chrome’s dominant position means Google can kill any new web feature that would help users, but hurt Google’s bottom line.

There's such a strong strain of dark side energy aimed at Google. It just feels so unhinged to me though. Blink-dev is an amazing mailing list of really good improvements being built intelligently, in well declared fashion, with lots of checks via standards bodies, fully open to discussion. There's very few places on the planet where such good work is so easy to see, and no where that it's so abundant. https://groups…

>What features has Google killed, do you think? How often has this been a problem, do you think?

Unless you've been living under a rock, it's hard to miss manifest v2 vs v3.

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