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Re: New York Times shut down Tor Onion service

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Post by like_any_other »

spyspy wrote: post #14
luma wrote: post #4

Journalists speak truth to power, meanwhile the NYT aligns itself with power at every opportunity. For example, they knew the NSA was spying on us but never ran the story to protect GW's chances at reelection. Presumably they didn't want to be seen as anti-establishment with the new powers and are reverting to their time-proven behavior. NYT will lick the boot when presented, same as ever.

Disclaimer I worked at NYT but this is just unsubstantiated garbage. Say what you will about the company and journalism as a whole but you’d be hard pressed to find a better group of truth-seekers out there. waves hands at every other “news” outlet

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Post by mvdtnz »

spyspy wrote: post #14
luma wrote: post #4

Journalists speak truth to power, meanwhile the NYT aligns itself with power at every opportunity. For example, they knew the NSA was spying on us but never ran the story to protect GW's chances at reelection. Presumably they didn't want to be seen as anti-establishment with the new powers and are reverting to their time-proven behavior. NYT will lick the boot when presented, same as ever.

Disclaimer I worked at NYT but this is just unsubstantiated garbage. Say what you will about the company and journalism as a whole but you’d be hard pressed to find a better group of truth-seekers out there. waves hands at every other “news” outlet

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Re: New York Times shut down Tor Onion service

#63

Post by Auracle »

davidw wrote: post #34
spyspy wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disclaimer I worked at NYT but this is just unsubstantiated garbage. Say what you will about the company and journalism as a whole but you’d be hard pressed to find a better group of truth-seekers out there. waves hands at every other “news” outlet

I found this story pretty enlightening https://css.seas.upenn.edu/new-york-times-a-case-study-in-in... It's certainly not that they come up with outright lies. They have a ton of good people who work there. But there's something rotten higher up in the way they put their finger on the scales.

That article makes awful conclusions.

Biden’s age was a bigger factor because it was absolutely clear he was in rapid cognitive decline. No doubt it’s also happened to Trump at his age (as it does to everyone), but Biden essentially hid from any unscripted press the entirety of his Presidency.

Trump does the opposite. We can all judge his actual cognitive faculties because he’s constantly tweeting or in front of cameras. It’s pretty clear to anyone with a brain that most of the things the Biden administration did, Biden himself had very little to do with. Trump, again, is the opposite.

The NYT honestly should have been covering Biden’s decline more. It bordered on a coverup. The fact that people were surprised at his debate performance points to that.

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#64

Post by nouripenny »

spyspy wrote: post #14
luma wrote: post #4

Journalists speak truth to power, meanwhile the NYT aligns itself with power at every opportunity. For example, they knew the NSA was spying on us but never ran the story to protect GW's chances at reelection. Presumably they didn't want to be seen as anti-establishment with the new powers and are reverting to their time-proven behavior. NYT will lick the boot when presented, same as ever.

Disclaimer I worked at NYT but this is just unsubstantiated garbage. Say what you will about the company and journalism as a whole but you’d be hard pressed to find a better group of truth-seekers out there. waves hands at every other “news” outlet

Consider Bob McChesney's 3 biases of professional journalism: reliance on official sources, fear of context, and "dig here, not there".

https://inthesetimes.com/article/the-rise-of-professional-jo...

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Post by davidw »

Auracle wrote: post #63
davidw wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I found this story pretty enlightening https://css.seas.upenn.edu/new-york-times-a-case-study-in-in... It's certainly not that they come up with outright lies. They have a ton of good people who work there. But there's something rotten higher up in the way they put their finger on the scales.

That article makes awful conclusions. Biden’s age was a bigger factor because it was absolutely clear he was in rapid cognitive decline. No doubt it’s also happened to Trump at his age (as it does to everyone), but Biden essentially hid from any unscripted press the entirety of his Presidency. Trump does the opposite. We can all judge his actual cognitive faculties because he’s constantly tweeting or in front of came…

But once he was out of the race and there was only one old guy, age ceased to become an issue.

That's what makes what they're doing kind of insidious. They're not making things up - Biden is indeed old. It's how they weight things and how much they push them.

There's a reason the "NYT Pitch Bot" account is so popular - it's poking fun at a real phenomenon.

Re: New York Times shut down Tor Onion service

#66

Post by c0nducktr »

spyspy wrote: post #54
andreygrehov wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The answer is ad revenue. If you go against what your subscribers believe in, you lose money. If you lose money, you might lose your job. If you lose your job, you can't pay your mortgage.

But then you introduce a subscription model and people decry how the good news is paywalled…

When the paywalled model is just as unwilling to go against its advertisers as the free model, it not surprising people aren't happy with the change.

Re: New York Times shut down Tor Onion service

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Post by throwaway48476 »

londons_explore wrote: post #33
andreygrehov wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The answer is ad revenue. If you go against what your subscribers believe in, you lose money. If you lose money, you might lose your job. If you lose your job, you can't pay your mortgage.

I suspect plenty of government money directly flows to newspapers as part of various campaigns to sway public opinion on certain politically important topics. Perhaps moreso outside the USA where just a handful of paid articles can sway some topic important for US foreign policy.

Middle East governments are huge newspaper advertisers. The Chinese government has a propaganda page in the wsj.

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Post by throwaway48476 »

setgree wrote: post #49
luma wrote: post #4

Journalists speak truth to power, meanwhile the NYT aligns itself with power at every opportunity. For example, they knew the NSA was spying on us but never ran the story to protect GW's chances at reelection. Presumably they didn't want to be seen as anti-establishment with the new powers and are reverting to their time-proven behavior. NYT will lick the boot when presented, same as ever.

> [The NY Times] knew the NSA was spying on us but never ran the story to protect GW's chances at reelection This is a really strong claim -- the part about the 'why'. Strong claims generally require strong evidence. I'm perfectly willing to believe they spiked the story for other, more plausible reasons, but come on, their editorial endorsing John Kerry is right there for everyone to read: > There is no denying that…

I know PBS frontline did a documentary on this.

Re: New York Times shut down Tor Onion service

#69

Post by dmoy »

nouripenny wrote: post #64
spyspy wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disclaimer I worked at NYT but this is just unsubstantiated garbage. Say what you will about the company and journalism as a whole but you’d be hard pressed to find a better group of truth-seekers out there. waves hands at every other “news” outlet

Consider Bob McChesney's 3 biases of professional journalism: reliance on official sources, fear of context, and "dig here, not there". https://inthesetimes.com/article/the-rise-of-professional-jo...

Robert Fisk kept writing and talking about that wrt NYT right after 9/11: https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2003/fisk-i-think-...

Re: New York Times shut down Tor Onion service

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Post by dingnuts »

dmix wrote: post #52
chneu wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not saying I disagree, but please see how dangerous your thinking can be. That basically takes away a major tool of journalists and allows you to paint whoever you disagree with as wrong simply because they don't wish to go public. Very, very dangerous way of thinking. Allowing sourcesto stay anonymous is a major tool for journalists.

An anonymous source from a whistleblower: practical and understandable. Anonymous sources from gov officials that just tows an established useful line that benefits them: way, way too common. I'm a daily reader of NYT and I can't count the number of times I see them use it each year. It's become standard practice enough to not be just some edge case to protect people. It's like how the government classifies everythin…

"a source close to the matter reports" basically implies whatever coming next is bullshit
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