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My Scammer Girlfriend: Baiting a Romance Fraudster

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Re: My Scammer Girlfriend: Baiting a Romance Fraudster

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post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to be somewhat mean to telemarketers, until I learned that some of them are prison laborers - getting paid pennies per hour to work in a prison call center. That already feels morally un-great, and messing with them further no longer felt like something I could justify.

It's odd to me that people feel worse about unpleasant things happening specifically to convicted felons than to the general public. If you were being mean to a random jerk, and then he pointed out "By the way, I roughed up my wife last night" would you feel more bad about being mean? But you'd feel worse if it turned out he was doing time for that same crime? Note: I know that there could be people truly wrongfully…

>> prison isn't meant to be fun, and being expected to work while doing time is not cruel punishment.

The problem I have with this is that last time I checked, nearly all sentences for people going to prison are incarceration, not incarceration+forced labour. It's the same as people cheering up prison rape because "they deserve it" or "if they don't like it, they should just stop committing crimes". Again, no one is ever sentenced to prison+prison rape, and failing to protect prisoners from each other is a massive failure of the state.

And of course we have to acknowledge that having prison population working for close to nothing creates really perverse incentives, both on the side of the state as well as enterprises employing prisoners. In fact I'd argue that even if you feel that it's entirely fair and deserved you should still be against it to stop incentivising all the nasty shit happening around it. Prisoners should be sitting in prison, they shouldn't be working, or if they are it should be on public works not on anything that the state charges money for.

Re: My Scammer Girlfriend: Baiting a Romance Fraudster

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Growing up in the cold war, we always heard of "Mail order brides from Russia". In 2008 I had a disastrous international romance that began on an MMORPG. It was then that I learned that mail order bride companies often mediated between prospective girlfriends and the men overseas, and they actually protected both sides from scams or utter heartbreak. They made secure matches if they were reputable and they were able…

Someone I know is AFAIK still with his (second) Russian mail-order bride and has been for many many years. (The first one was sent back...)

Re: My Scammer Girlfriend: Baiting a Romance Fraudster

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One warning, this scam, with it's fast timeline and request for funds to be sent to the girlfriend is a classic, but modern scams can be quite different than this. "pig butchering" scams can run for months of contact with no requests for money, and then instead of asking for money, the user "invests" into what appear initialy to be profitable investments alongside the scammer.

The people doing the pig butchering are themselves trafficked and working in horrendous slavery conditions in Cambodia: https://theconversation.com/pig-butchering-fraud-the-link-be... https://restofworld.org/2022/cambodias-scam-mills/

This is terrible. We must demand better working conditions for these folks.

Re: My Scammer Girlfriend: Baiting a Romance Fraudster

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, and I feel like that goes for everything in general. It's like people who get mad at customer service people - the customer service person has absolutely nothing to do with the product that's giving you grief. Even the telemarketer, as you point out, doesn't want to be there (or even if they do, they may just be there because they have no better options and need to put food on the table). In life, there are…

One thing that really stuck with me from the show The Good Place . The premise is that getting into heaven is a points-based system. You get points for doing good things, loose them for doing bad things, and when you die, if you have enough points, you go to heaven. Spoilers for season 3 ahead Used to be, for hundreds of years, you'd go visit your mom for her birthday. You'd be walking down the lane and see some wild…

Spoilers for those interested:

Calculating points process - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY-Rzou38k4

Michael trying to explain the problem (see math on screen) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8m_5HDZF7w&t=1m40s

Re: My Scammer Girlfriend: Baiting a Romance Fraudster

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Interesting read, I wonder why they didn't get more into details about this fake dental practice website used by the scammer, like what server it's hosted on, who the domain is registered to, I guess they just had pretty good opsec and there was nothing interesting to find there?

Re: My Scammer Girlfriend: Baiting a Romance Fraudster

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post #86

Yoshkar-Ola, Russia is mentioned there. I'm from Yoshkar-Ola. This kind of scam business exists here at least since the early 2000s. We were once called the capital of such scam business in Russia. I didn't know it's still a thing. One of my acquaintances worked there in around 2005-2007. It was mostly students renting an appartment, rows of PCs. He left right before they were raided by police. Some British individua…

> It's kinda sad that we're associated mostly with Prigozhin in the West

Unfortunately, Pringles had such a hilarious (in a dark way) last few years that it makes it very hard to compete with.

Re: My Scammer Girlfriend: Baiting a Romance Fraudster

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post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's odd to me that people feel worse about unpleasant things happening specifically to convicted felons than to the general public. If you were being mean to a random jerk, and then he pointed out "By the way, I roughed up my wife last night" would you feel more bad about being mean? But you'd feel worse if it turned out he was doing time for that same crime? Note: I know that there could be people truly wrongfully…

>> prison isn't meant to be fun, and being expected to work while doing time is not cruel punishment. The problem I have with this is that last time I checked, nearly all sentences for people going to prison are incarceration, not incarceration+forced labour. It's the same as people cheering up prison rape because "they deserve it" or "if they don't like it, they should just stop committing crimes". Again, no one is…

> It's the same as people cheering up prison rape

Respectfully, no it's not. Our society does in theory, and should, recognize a universal right to not be raped. It doesn't recognize, for anyone, a right to not have to work and still be taken care of, with the possible exception of the Royal Family. Though I understand most of their income comes from their historical ownership of vast lands, which is slightly different.

> Prisoners should be sitting in prison, they shouldn't be working,

Why should they only be sitting? Where's the free room and board for those who haven't committed felonies? If we aren't offering a UBI to random non-criminal lazy people, I don't think it's justified to recognize that as a right of prisoners specifically.

Re: My Scammer Girlfriend: Baiting a Romance Fraudster

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post #86

Yoshkar-Ola, Russia is mentioned there. I'm from Yoshkar-Ola. This kind of scam business exists here at least since the early 2000s. We were once called the capital of such scam business in Russia. I didn't know it's still a thing. One of my acquaintances worked there in around 2005-2007. It was mostly students renting an appartment, rows of PCs. He left right before they were raided by police. Some British individua…

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Prigozhin visited one of our prisons once; that’s the only violence there is. The paganism is not Slavic, it's Uralic. Local indigenous people are related to the Finns.

Re: My Scammer Girlfriend: Baiting a Romance Fraudster

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post #86

Yoshkar-Ola, Russia is mentioned there. I'm from Yoshkar-Ola. This kind of scam business exists here at least since the early 2000s. We were once called the capital of such scam business in Russia. I didn't know it's still a thing. One of my acquaintances worked there in around 2005-2007. It was mostly students renting an appartment, rows of PCs. He left right before they were raided by police. Some British individua…

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Hate to be pedantic, but it's definitely not slavic paganism. Finno-Ugric, maybe.

Re: My Scammer Girlfriend: Baiting a Romance Fraudster

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to be somewhat mean to telemarketers, until I learned that some of them are prison laborers - getting paid pennies per hour to work in a prison call center. That already feels morally un-great, and messing with them further no longer felt like something I could justify.

I agree, and I feel like that goes for everything in general. It's like people who get mad at customer service people - the customer service person has absolutely nothing to do with the product that's giving you grief. Even the telemarketer, as you point out, doesn't want to be there (or even if they do, they may just be there because they have no better options and need to put food on the table). In life, there are…

"It's like people who get mad at customer service people - the customer service person has absolutely nothing to do with the product that's giving you grief."

I used to believe this. But I have since changed my mind. Corporations train their reps to actively stonewall and frustrate you and hope you go away while they screw up your finances, travel, healthcare and deny you things you paid for.

A couple years ago, I was on the return flight from France to the US with wife and kid in tow. At the airport, I learned that the flight was a code-share. The airline I had booked with was meaningless. Meaning, the seats that I had paid extra for so we could sit together was no longer the seats that I picked. Even though I spent extra money to get what I asked for, I wasn't getting it because the real airline said . Meaning myself, wife, and kid would no longer be sitting together on an 8 hour flight despite me paying extra for it, five months in advance.

So I performed what I called my "angry frustrated customer routine". I became loud and agitated several times at the airport. Until I got my way and got what I had paid for.

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