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OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by meigwilym »

enriquec wrote: post #738
madsbuch wrote: post #737

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, let's wing serving 400 million sandwiches - whatever the risk that the US population dies of salmonella or listeria. Anyways, one of the things about growing up is realizing that there is more to the world than just innovation.

I think one of the things about growing up is accepting personal responsibility and not looking at the government/daddy to protect you from everything. If I sell 400 million skateboards - do we need a regulatory board to approve skateboard design changes? I'm sure millions of people make unregulated sandwiches at home just fine.

The market doesn't protect all those kids who were maimed or died trying out your regulation-free skateboard.

A basic level of safety might mean that your skateboards sell faster, now that parents don't have to risk the health of their offspring.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by baby_souffle »

enriquec wrote: post #738
madsbuch wrote: post #737

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, let's wing serving 400 million sandwiches - whatever the risk that the US population dies of salmonella or listeria. Anyways, one of the things about growing up is realizing that there is more to the world than just innovation.

I think one of the things about growing up is accepting personal responsibility and not looking at the government/daddy to protect you from everything. If I sell 400 million skateboards - do we need a regulatory board to approve skateboard design changes? I'm sure millions of people make unregulated sandwiches at home just fine.

> I think one of the things about growing up is accepting personal responsibility

What could I have done here to know that the sandwich is contaminated with salmonella before eating it?

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by _Algernon_ »

enriquec wrote: post #738
madsbuch wrote: post #737

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, let's wing serving 400 million sandwiches - whatever the risk that the US population dies of salmonella or listeria. Anyways, one of the things about growing up is realizing that there is more to the world than just innovation.

I think one of the things about growing up is accepting personal responsibility and not looking at the government/daddy to protect you from everything. If I sell 400 million skateboards - do we need a regulatory board to approve skateboard design changes? I'm sure millions of people make unregulated sandwiches at home just fine.

>I think one of the things about growing up is accepting personal responsibility and not looking at the government/daddy to protect you from everything. If I sell 400 million skateboards - do we need a regulatory board to approve skateboard design changes?

Yes, especially if your target market for those skateboard are kids / minors.

>I'm sure millions of people make unregulated sandwiches at home just fine.

If someone makes a sandwich for themselves incentives are aligned to prevent unhygienic practices. I'm not going to cut corners to maximize some different measure. If some restaurant produces food for me, they are incentivized to maximize profit margin, which is not directly aligned with my desire for non-dangerous food.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by jryan49 »

xvector wrote: post #534
light_triad wrote: post #377

It coincides with this: OpenAI calls DeepSeek ‘state-controlled,’ calls for bans on ‘PRC-produced’ models https://techcrunch.com/2025/03/13/openai-calls-deepseek-stat... On HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43355779

Really funny to see Sam whining about Elon "playing unfair" while attempting to do this with DeepSeek.

It's almost like these guys will say anything at anytime if it serves their purposes (regardless of what they believe or how consistent they are).

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by paulddraper »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #394
paulddraper wrote: post #205

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Leaving aside the broader discussion... You cannot legally photocopy copy an entire book even if you own a physical copy. Internet people say you can, but there's no actual legal argument or case law to support that.

At home? Without ever sharing it with anyone? I thought making backups of things that you personally own was protected, at least in the US. Could you elaborate on my apparent misunderstanding?

> Could you elaborate on my apparent misunderstanding?

One of the six exclusive rights of copyright holders is "to reproduce the copyrighted work in copies or phonorecords."

(In certain circumstances, the Fair Use doctrine contravenes this right, but reproduction in whole is not such a circumstance.)

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by paulddraper »

stale2002 wrote: post #414
paulddraper wrote: post #205

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Leaving aside the broader discussion... You cannot legally photocopy copy an entire book even if you own a physical copy. Internet people say you can, but there's no actual legal argument or case law to support that.

> Internet people say you can, but there's no actual legal argument or case law to support that. Quite the opposite. The burden of proof is on you to show a single person ever, in history, who has been prosecuted for that. If nobody in the world has ever been prosecuted for this, then that means it is either legal, or it is something else that is so effectively equivalent to "legal" that there is little point in usin…

> If you want to take the position that, "uhhhhhhh, there is exactly 0% chance of anyone ever getting in trouble or being prosecuted for this, but I still don't think its legal, technically!"

> Then I guess go ahead.

That is exactly what I am saying.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by KKKKkkkk1 »

mr90210 wrote: post #710
WiSaGaN wrote: post #429

Before Deepseek, Meta open-sourced a good LLM. At the time, the narrative pushed by OpenAI and Anthropic was centered on 'safety.' Now, with the emergence of Deepseek, OpenAI and Anthropic have pivoted to a national security narrative. It is becoming tiresome to watch these rent seekers attacking open source to justify their valuations.

> rent seekers Finally someone described them by who they are, rent f* seekers.

So I asked ChatGPT what is a rent seeker and it said it's someone who seeks to make money without contributing anything. I don't think that fits OpenAI. I think you're overlooking ChatGPT, for example, which was developed by OpenAI.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by Palmik »

alphabettsy wrote: post #714
Palmik wrote: post #648

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A real person wouldn't have to pay to read random blog, Reddit comments, StackOverflow answers or code on GitHub (many open source licenses do not imply license for training). They might have to pay for books, or use a library. Should these cases be treated differently? If so, it might lead to more closed internet with even more paywalls.

I think those are less of an issue. They want to train on paywalled news articles, magazines and books. In addition to other media that the average person would have to pay for or would otherwise have limitations applied.

In my opinion, if any copyright related rule is applied to books or other paywalled content, it should equally apply any Joe Shmoe's blog or code on GitHub.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by snozolli »

enriquec wrote: post #738
madsbuch wrote: post #737

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, let's wing serving 400 million sandwiches - whatever the risk that the US population dies of salmonella or listeria. Anyways, one of the things about growing up is realizing that there is more to the world than just innovation.

I think one of the things about growing up is accepting personal responsibility and not looking at the government/daddy to protect you from everything. If I sell 400 million skateboards - do we need a regulatory board to approve skateboard design changes? I'm sure millions of people make unregulated sandwiches at home just fine.

I'm sure millions of people make unregulated sandwiches at home just fine.

You're on the verge of uncovering the actual meaning of personal responsibility.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by jppittma »

enriquec wrote: post #738
madsbuch wrote: post #737

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, let's wing serving 400 million sandwiches - whatever the risk that the US population dies of salmonella or listeria. Anyways, one of the things about growing up is realizing that there is more to the world than just innovation.

I think one of the things about growing up is accepting personal responsibility and not looking at the government/daddy to protect you from everything. If I sell 400 million skateboards - do we need a regulatory board to approve skateboard design changes? I'm sure millions of people make unregulated sandwiches at home just fine.

What I hate about this argument is that the FDA does not predate civilization. In fact, it's a relatively recent development. Not only has this idea been tried, but throughout most of human history, people lived in the world you describe, died of salmonella, and the people who lived in that world decided they'd be better if that wasn't a thing anymore.
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