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OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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I heard the theory that Elon Musk has a significant control over the current US government. They're not best pals with Sam Altman. This seems like it might be a good way to see how much power Elon actually has over the government?

I have a working theory is that the current Trump government is like 12 people, a quarter of which do not hold any official position, and they decide everyting with absolutely no oversight.

Trump did this during his previous term as well, with Ivanka and Jared Kushner, but to a much less significant degree.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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The follow-on prompt was "add the word freedom a lot more."

... sprinkle in a lot of "strategy" too, to make the reader seem like they are smart. Lay "America/Americans" even thicker, to combine with the sense of higher purpose, i.e. patriotism.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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> ask for regulation then ask for exempt That's exactly what has been happening: Ask HN: Why is OpenAI pushing for regulation so much - 2023 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36045397

They've no moat so I don't see them surviving without a gov't bail out like this.

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Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Maybe in a present: - Dominated by a intractable global manufacturer/technologist (China) that doesn't care about copyright - Proliferated by a communication network that doesn't care about copyright (Internet) and a future where: - We have thinking machines on par with human creativity that get better based on more information (regardless of who owns the rights to the original synapses firing) That maybe, just maybe…

A future, where we have limitless clean energy thanks to nuclear fusion, self driving cars that exceed humans in every safety metric, EVs with inexpensive batteries that go 500 miles on a single 5 minute charge, cheap and secure financial transactions thanks to crypto. etc.

is a future that they've been selling us for more than a decade, but somehow doesn't really want to come about.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, openai only started making deals (and mostly with news publishers) after the NYT lawsuit. https://www.npr.org/2025/01/14/nx-s1-5258952/new-york-times-... They didn't even consider doing this before. They still, as far as I know, haven't paid a dime for any book, or art beyond stock photography. Lawsuit is still ongoing, if openai loses it might spell doom for legal production and usage of LLMs as a whole. There…

> There isn't enough open, free data out there to make state of the art AI. But there are models trained on legal content (like Wikipedia or StackOverflow). Also, no human needs to read millions of pirated books to become intelligent.

> But there are models trained on legal content (like Wikipedia or StackOverflow)

Literally all of them are trained on wikipedia and SO. But /none/ of them are /only/ trained on wikipedia and SO. They need much more than that.

> Also, no human needs to read millions of pirated books to become intelligent.

Obviously, LLM architectures that were inspired by GPT 2/3 are not learning like humans.

There has never been anything remotely good in the world of LLM that could have been said to have been trained on a moderate, more human scoped amount of data. They're all trained on trillions of tokens.

Models trained on less than 1T are experimental jokes that have no real use to provide.

You'll notice even so called "open data" LLMs like Olmo are, in fact, also trained on copyrighted data, datasets like Common Crawl claim fair use over anything that can be accessed from a web browser.

And then there's the whole notion of laundered data by training on synthetic data generated by another LLM. All the so-called "open" LLMs include a very significant amount of LLM-generated data. If you agree to the notion that LLMs trained on copyrighted work are a form of IP infringement and not fair use, then training on their output is just data laundering and doesn't fix the issue.

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All these whiney creatives who feel threatened just need to suck it up and deal with it. Even if they got their way in the US, another app in another country will just use their data without permission. All they are doing is ensuring those apps wouldnt be American.

What do you mean by "deal with it?" Because to me it looks like they're dealing with it by joining in solidarity with other artists, raising awareness about how this affects them and us and lobbying for regulation they think would improve the situation. I guess you meant they should deal with it by just letting it happen to them quietly and without a fight? Is that how you would deal with your livelihood being preven…

Deal with it as in them accepting there is nothing they can do to stop it. Other countries arent going to follow whatever laws they manage to get in place in the US.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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All these whiney creatives who feel threatened just need to suck it up and deal with it. Even if they got their way in the US, another app in another country will just use their data without permission. All they are doing is ensuring those apps wouldnt be American.

Do you not enjoy being paid for your work?

I'm a business owner. I love generative AI.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Before Deepseek, Meta open-sourced a good LLM. At the time, the narrative pushed by OpenAI and Anthropic was centered on 'safety.' Now, with the emergence of Deepseek, OpenAI and Anthropic have pivoted to a national security narrative. It is becoming tiresome to watch these rent seekers attacking open source to justify their valuations.

Now that Deepseek is in the mix, it's suddenly about national security. Convenient.

They said all the same nonsense about Tiktok.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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You steal from others and make them pay - constant scraping cost money (traffic, server load, scraping protection). Then you should only be allowed to release open source models.

A ruling that only open source models can freely use copyrighted data for training would be a funny outcome and a big F you to OpenAI. I don’t expect it to happen but an interesting thought nonetheless.
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