If a person can read copyrighted material and produce derivative works, why not an AI?
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OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules
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#602A slippery slope to eliminate copyright out right. The argument made is that AI is somehow more special and will otherwise lose to competition with China. The flaw there is that AI is not more special than any other endeavor while all other American markets must equally compete with China. What that failure means is that when anything is exceptional then everything becomes exceptional because the economic conditions…
Copyrights are more often used to defend large corporations than small creators. As long everybody has a level playing field and individuals benefit from weaker copyright laws, it might actually make the world a better place. I'm not arguing for the complete elimination of copyright protections, but today's laws, in particular copyright duration, are immoral. This is as good of a starting point as any assuming OpenAI…
...right, lets make sure we protect the little, undercapitalised startup OpenAI from the large corporations holding them back :)
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#603A slippery slope to eliminate copyright out right. The argument made is that AI is somehow more special and will otherwise lose to competition with China. The flaw there is that AI is not more special than any other endeavor while all other American markets must equally compete with China. What that failure means is that when anything is exceptional then everything becomes exceptional because the economic conditions…
Copyrights are more often used to defend large corporations than small creators. As long everybody has a level playing field and individuals benefit from weaker copyright laws, it might actually make the world a better place. I'm not arguing for the complete elimination of copyright protections, but today's laws, in particular copyright duration, are immoral. This is as good of a starting point as any assuming OpenAI…
> Copyrights are more often used to defend large corporations than small creators.
Are there numbers to this or is it empty conjecture? The reality is that resulting civil judgments apply the same regardless of owner size, which benefits small owners disproportionately to large owners with regard to windfall versus regular revenue. That is OpenAI’s principle concern: they don’t want to get sued into bankruptcy by numerous small rights owners.
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#604Earlier quoted context omitted.
> - We have thinking machines on par with human creativity that get better based on more information (regardless of who owns the rights to the original synapses firing) For that you need actual AGI and it's nowhere in sight other than in the dreams of a few doom prophets. Until that is reached, by definition current "AI" cannot surpass its training data.
I think you missed the point. Technology has made enforcing copyright impossible, and any attempt to enforce it just hinders technological advancement, while still not solving the global enforceability of copyright. Lets stop wasting our time on this concept, the laws around it and the whole debate. Copyright is dead. I'm arguing lets move on.
> Technology has made enforcing copyright impossible
Has it? I think not. Governments could require AI training companies on Western markets to respect robots.txt (with strict fines for violators), and nations who do not respect this should be cut off of the Internet anyway.
Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules
#605If this happens, I hope they get banned in Europe. This is unacceptable.
Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules
#606> An export control strategy that exports democratic AI: For countries seeking access to American AI, we propose a strategy that would apply a commercial growth lens—both Total and Serviceable Addressable Markets—to proactively promote the global adoption of American AI systems and with them, the freedoms they create. At the same time, the strategy would use export controls to protect America’s AI lead, including by…
It works for comedy without changing a word. Impressive.
Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules
#607If a person can read copyrighted material and produce derivative works, why not an AI?
Because - well a person can read copyrighted material it legally obtained the rights to, for example by purchasing a hard or electronic copy of the book or magazine. Alternatively, and according to the laws worldwide, if a person were to engage in massive theft for the purpose of "reading" all available copyrighted materials in the world, by obtaining copyrighted material without permission and consent of the copyrig…
I don't think there is actually a law anywhere that says you need to obtain the rights to copyright material to read/view them. The person or organisation showing it to you, which might be yourself, needs to have a license. Otherwise things like libraries couldn't exist and you wouldn't be allowed to lend books or even have books in your house that other family members can read.
Not saying that particularly impacts your argument about OpenAI, because an LLM in training is not a person. It is transforming data from one format to another for later consumption by people. Therefore they probably would need a license.
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#608Wonder how much the addition of copyrighted material affects how smart the resulting model is. If it's even 20% better LLM makers could be forced out of the US into jurisdictions that allow use of copyrighted data. I suspect most LLM users will ~always choose the smartest model.
All of it is copyrighted material
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#609This is so wrong in so many levels.
But given that Trump clearly seems aligned with technobros, I wouldn't be surprised.
This will be good for the rest of the world, though. Other countries will be less likely to be aligned to US, end of US imperialism has been just speed up little by little.
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#610The arrogance of these people is without end.