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OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by fc417fc802 »

pclmulqdq wrote: post #528
fc417fc802 wrote: post #385

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm with you except for that last one. Innovation provides a moat that also benefits the consumer. In contrast, network effects don't seem to provide any benefit. They're just a landscape feature that can be taken advantage of by the incumbent to make competition more difficult. I'm hardly the only one to think this way, hence regulation such as data portability in the EU.

I agree with you in general, but there are network effects at Apple that are helpful to the consumer. For example, iphone-mac integration makes things better for owners of both, and Apple can internally develop protocols like their "bump to share a file" protocol much faster than they can as part of an industry consortium. Both of these are network effects that are beneficial to the consumer.

I'm not sure a single individual owning multiple products from the same company is the typical way "network effect" is used.

The protocol example is a good one. However I don't think it's the network effect that's beneficial in that case but rather the innovation of the thing that was built.

If it's closed, I think that facet specifically is detrimental to the consumer.

If it's open, then that's the best you can do to mitigate the unfortunate reality that taking advantage of this particular innovation requires multiple participating endpoints. It's just how it is.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by nomilk »

Wonder how much the addition of copyrighted material affects how smart the resulting model is. If it's even 20% better LLM makers could be forced out of the US into jurisdictions that allow use of copyrighted data.

I suspect most LLM users will ~always choose the smartest model.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by oasisaimlessly »

codedokode wrote: post #413
woah wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"IP" is a very new concept in our culture and completely absent in other cultures. It was invented to prevent verbatim reprints of books, but even so, the publishing industry existed for hundreds of years before then. It's been expanded greatly in the past 50 years. Acting like copyright is some natural law of the universe that LLMs are upending simply because they can learn from written texts is silly. If you want t…

What AI companies are doing (downloading pirated music and training models) is completely unfair. It takes lot of money (everything related to music is expensive), talent and work to record a good song and what AI companies do is just grab millions of songs for free and call it "fair use". If their developers are so smart and talented why don't they simply compose and record the music by themselves? > not only a work…

> AI models reproduce existing audio tracks when asked, although in a distorted and low-quality form.

So can my wife. Who should I call to have her taken away?

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by echelon »

pclmulqdq wrote: post #528
fc417fc802 wrote: post #385

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm with you except for that last one. Innovation provides a moat that also benefits the consumer. In contrast, network effects don't seem to provide any benefit. They're just a landscape feature that can be taken advantage of by the incumbent to make competition more difficult. I'm hardly the only one to think this way, hence regulation such as data portability in the EU.

I agree with you in general, but there are network effects at Apple that are helpful to the consumer. For example, iphone-mac integration makes things better for owners of both, and Apple can internally develop protocols like their "bump to share a file" protocol much faster than they can as part of an industry consortium. Both of these are network effects that are beneficial to the consumer.

I'm fine with Apple making their gear work together, but they shouldn't be privileged over third parties.

Moreover, they shouldn't have any way to force (or even nudge via defaults) the user to use Apple Payments, App Store, or other Apple platform pieces. Anyone should be on equal footing and there shouldn't be any taxation. Apple already has every single advantage, and what they're doing now is occupying an anticompetitive high ground via which they can control (along with duopoly partner Google) the entire field of mobile computing.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by glimshe »

austin-cheney wrote: post #584

A slippery slope to eliminate copyright out right. The argument made is that AI is somehow more special and will otherwise lose to competition with China. The flaw there is that AI is not more special than any other endeavor while all other American markets must equally compete with China. What that failure means is that when anything is exceptional then everything becomes exceptional because the economic conditions…

Copyrights are more often used to defend large corporations than small creators. As long everybody has a level playing field and individuals benefit from weaker copyright laws, it might actually make the world a better place. I'm not arguing for the complete elimination of copyright protections, but today's laws, in particular copyright duration, are immoral. This is as good of a starting point as any assuming OpenAI isn't the only who gets to benefit from it.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by piracymadelegal »

faragon wrote: post #587

If a person can read copyrighted material and produce derivative works, why not an AI?

Sure, so, can I make and sell my own Lilo and Stitch movie now? It'll be even better than the one about to release, and all that means is I'll deviate even less.

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Post by csomar »

> An export control strategy that exports democratic AI: For countries seeking access to American AI, we propose a strategy that would apply a commercial growth lens—both Total and Serviceable Addressable Markets—to proactively promote the global adoption of American AI systems and with them, the freedoms they create. At the same time, the strategy would use export controls to protect America’s AI lead, including by making updates to the AI diffusion rule.

What a bunch of gibberish hot garbage.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by darkwater »

Animats wrote: post #555
sitkack wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also textbook Fascism. Trump should have a Most Favored Corporate status, each corporation in a vertical can compete for favor and the one that does gets to be "teacher's pet" when it comes to exemptions, contracts, trade deals, priority in resource right access, etc.

That's in progress. It's called the MAGA Parallel Economy.[1] Donald Trump, Jr. is in charge. Vivek Ramaswamy and Peter Thiel are involved. Azoria ETF and 1789 Capital are funds designed to fund MAGA-friendly companies. But this may be a sideshow. The main show is US CEOs sucking up to Trump, as happened at the inauguration. That parallels something Putin did in 2020. Putin called in the top two dozen oligarchs, and…

> That parallels something Putin did in 2020. Putin called in the top two dozen oligarchs, and told them "Stay out of politics and your wealth won’t be touched.

> Khodorkovsky [...] was arrested in 2003

Something doesn't square here

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by echelon »

austin-cheney wrote: post #584

A slippery slope to eliminate copyright out right. The argument made is that AI is somehow more special and will otherwise lose to competition with China. The flaw there is that AI is not more special than any other endeavor while all other American markets must equally compete with China. What that failure means is that when anything is exceptional then everything becomes exceptional because the economic conditions…

OpenAI has no moat. They're afraid of open source and want the government to protect them.

Microsoft doesn't think they're very cool anymore.

Sam Altman is going to have one of the quickest falls from grace in tech history. It's a shame he's using his time to try to legislate a worse world for the rest of us.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by hansmayer »

faragon wrote: post #587

If a person can read copyrighted material and produce derivative works, why not an AI?

Because - well a person can read copyrighted material it legally obtained the rights to, for example by purchasing a hard or electronic copy of the book or magazine. Alternatively, and according to the laws worldwide, if a person were to engage in massive theft for the purpose of "reading" all available copyrighted materials in the world, by obtaining copyrighted material without permission and consent of the copyright holder, they would be at least paying heavy fines, and in most jurisdictions also spend at least a few years in jail. Why should the same not apply to corporations and their executives?
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