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OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by somenameforme »

Retric wrote: post #350
MaxPock wrote: post #315

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like South Korea and her Chaebols

Yea fascism, communism, etc aren’t abstract ideals in the real world. Instead they are self reinforcing directions along a multidimensional political spectrum. The scary thing with fascism is just how quickly it can snowball because people at the top of so many powerful structures in society benefit. US Presidents get a positive spin by giving more access to organizations that support them. Those kinds of quiet back…

That's not fascism, that is the dysfunctional status quo in literally every single country in the world. Why do you think companies and billionaires dump what amounts to billions of dollars on candidates? Often times it's not even this candidate or that, but both!

They then get access, get special treatment, and come out singing the praises of [errr.. what's his name again?]

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by Xelynega »

bnchrch wrote: post #245

Maybe in a present: - Dominated by a intractable global manufacturer/technologist (China) that doesn't care about copyright - Proliferated by a communication network that doesn't care about copyright (Internet) and a future where: - We have thinking machines on par with human creativity that get better based on more information (regardless of who owns the rights to the original synapses firing) That maybe, just maybe…

If the models are so good that "who should pay to use copyrighted work?" is not a relevant question, doesn't that mean that all money that would previously go towards artists is now going towards OpenAI?

How does new art get created for the models to train on if OpenAI is the only artist getting paid?

I'm not saying I even agree with your proposed future, but if it were to happen would it not be a bad thing for everybody but OpenAI?

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by xvector »

light_triad wrote: post #377

It coincides with this: OpenAI calls DeepSeek ‘state-controlled,’ calls for bans on ‘PRC-produced’ models https://techcrunch.com/2025/03/13/openai-calls-deepseek-stat... On HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43355779

Really funny to see Sam whining about Elon "playing unfair" while attempting to do this with DeepSeek.

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Post by scarface_74 »

kadoban wrote: post #527
scarface_74 wrote: post #518

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It doesn’t matter. You should never trust the government with more power than absolutely necessary. Because eventually, the other side will do something you don’t like. This is the government people voted for. The government has a “monopoly on violence”. No corporation can force you to do anything, take away your freedom (the US has the highest incarceration rate of any democracy) or your property (see civil forfeitu…

> No corporation can force you to do anything, take away your freedom (the US has the highest incarceration rate of any democracy) or your property (see civil forfeiture). I can much more easily avoid a corporation than the government. Avoid Tesla, and give me the steps you follow. > Because eventually, the other side will do something you don’t like. Yeah they might do equally egregious things like: 1) staging a fas…

You’re overindexing on Trump. The US being a police state with the highest incarceration rate in the world, police corruption, civil forfeiture, etc didn’t start with Trump.

Tell me one corporation that you can’t get away from? Now tell me how you avoid an over powerful government?

Why would you want to give a government with the history of the US more power?

Trump was elected fair and square. If you want to blame anyone - blame Americans. Despite the bullshit that the Democrats spout about “this isn’t who we are”. This is exactly who we are. Why would I want to give the government more control? Do you think the Democrats would be any more hands off when it comes to content?

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Post by neuronexmachina »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #262
bakuninsbart wrote: post #252

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The Claude people seem to be quite chill.

Agreed. They're a bit mental on "safety" but given that's not likely to be a real issue then they're fine.

Given the growing focus on AIs as agents, I think it's going to be a real issue sooner rather than later.

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Post by bee_rider »

codedokode wrote: post #449
bee_rider wrote: post #141

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These AI models are just obviously new things. They aren’t people, so any analogy about learning from the training material and selling your new skills is off base. On the other hand, they aren’t just a copy of the training content, and whether the process that creates the weights is sufficiently transformative as to create a new work is… what’s up for debate, right? Anyway I wish people would stop making these analo…

Model cannot "learn" because it is not a human. What happens is a human obtains "a free copy" of a copyrighted work, processes it using a machine and sells the result.

> Model cannot "learn" because it is not a human.

Sure, that’s why don’t like the analogy.

> What happens is a human obtains "a free copy" of a copyrighted work, processes it using a machine and sells the result.

Right, so for example it is pretty common to snip up small bits of songs and to use in other songs (sampling). Maybe that could be an example of somewhere to start? But, these ML models seem quite different, I guess because the “samples” are much smaller and usually not individually identifiable. And really the model encodes information about trends in the sources… I dunno. I still think we need a new law.

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Post by kadoban »

scarface_74 wrote: post #535
kadoban wrote: post #527

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No corporation can force you to do anything, take away your freedom (the US has the highest incarceration rate of any democracy) or your property (see civil forfeiture). I can much more easily avoid a corporation than the government. Avoid Tesla, and give me the steps you follow. > Because eventually, the other side will do something you don’t like. Yeah they might do equally egregious things like: 1) staging a fas…

You’re overindexing on Trump. The US being a police state with the highest incarceration rate in the world, police corruption, civil forfeiture, etc didn’t start with Trump. Tell me one corporation that you can’t get away from? Now tell me how you avoid an over powerful government? Why would you want to give a government with the history of the US more power? Trump was elected fair and square. If you want to blame an…

> Trump was elected fair and square. If you want to blame anyone - blame Americans. Despite the bullshit that the Democrats spout about “this isn’t who we are”. This is exactly who we are.

I blame, primarily, the corporate takeover of government, punctuated by Citizen's United and everything that came after, and a couple of generations of a Republican party who have no goal other than setting out to prove that government is the enemy to take the heat off of their corporate masters.

> Tell me one corporation that you can’t get away from? Now tell me how you avoid an over powerful government?

I already did: avoid Tesla, show me how it's done. You can't, because the asshole in charge bought enough of the government to be in control. That's what happens when you have corporations with unchecked power, which is the inevitible conclusion of a powerless government.

You think you give the corporations all of the money and they're going to be bound by some tiny neutered government? No, they'll just buy it and then do what they want.

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Post by somenameforme »

999900000999 wrote: post #382
dchichkov wrote: post #8

>> In the proposal, OpenAI also said the U.S. needs “a copyright strategy that promotes the freedom to learn” and on “preserving American AI models’ ability to learn from copyrighted material.” Perhaps also symmetric "freedom to learn" from OpenAI models, with some provisions / naming convention? U.S. labs are limited in this way, while labs in China are not.

Can this extend to every kid sued by the record industry for downloading a few songs. Have we all been transported to bizzaro land? Different rules for billion dollar corps I guess.

Those cases did very poorly whenever they actually went to court (well at least also including the ones that were summarily dismissed by the courts, meaning they didn't technically make it to court). They were much more of a mafia style shakedown than an actual legal enforcement effort.

Same rules, but people are a lot less inclined to defend themselves because the cost of loss was seen as too high to even risk it.

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