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Post by triceratops »

dylan604 wrote: post #345
triceratops wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Have you never been to a public library and read a book while sitting there without checking it out? See my comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43355723 . If OpenAI built a robot that physically went into libraries, pulled books off shelves by itself, and read them...that's so cool I wouldn't even be mad.

What about checking out eBooks? If you had an app that checked those out and scanned it at robot speed vs human feed, that would be the same thing. The idea that reading something that does not belong to you directly means stealing is just weird and very strained. theGoogs essentially did that by having the robot that turned each page and scanned the pages. that's no different than having the librarian pull material…

> If you had an app that checked those out and scanned it

You mean...made a copy? Do you really not see the problem?

> How they acquired the text would be a better thing to critique

Well...yeah that's what I said in the comment that started this discussion branch: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43355147

This isn't about humans or robots reading books. It's that robots are allowed to violate copyright law to read the books, and us humans are not.

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Post by sunshine-o »

CPLX wrote: post #171
pr337h4m wrote: post #9

>Chris Lehane, OpenAI’s vice president of global affairs, said in an interview that the US AI Safety Institute – a key government group focused on AI – could act as the main point of contact between the federal government and the private sector. If companies work with the group voluntarily to review models, the government could provide them “with liability protections including preemption from state based regulations…

The fact that Chris Lehane is the one involved in this should tell you all you need to know about how on the level all this is.

Just learning about that guy and reading his Wikipedia page will give me nightmares for the years to come.

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Post by borgdefenser »

ch4s3 wrote: post #188

I'm surprised to see only one comment here addressing the issue of Chinese AI companies just flatly ignoring US copyright and IP laws/norms. I wonder if there is a viable path where we can facilitate some sort of economic remuneration for people who write and create visual art while not giving up the game to Chinese companies. This seems to be a thorny dilemma.

As a digital artist myself, it is quite simple. You have to sell physical objects.

The art has to be printed out and that is the art. Anyone can get an image of Salvator Mundi for free too. That is not the art, that is an image. The art is the physical object that is the painting Salvator Mundi.

It is no different than traditional art really, just at a different scale. You can buy really nice Picasso knock offs on ebay right now. Picasso himself could have made 10 copies of the Weeping Woman to sell without that much effort either. The "real" Weeping Woman is the physical painting that Picasso did not make a copy of. The others are just knock off images.

But the main problem remains. Selling art is really hard. AI art is already completely passé anyway. If anything the technology is regressing visually.

Music was in a several decades long bull market in physical media sales that crashed and burned. Now we have gone back to the pre-music media bubble days but with much better distribution and marketing channels.

Not a lot of people making a living playing ragtime piano or hoofers making a living tap dancing either.

The real amusing thing to me is you never hear scultpure artist complain that they are in the training data sets. Probably because they know it is literally just free advertising for their real art.

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Post by noosphr »

mattgreenrocks wrote: post #313
noosphr wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just them. Everyone is scrambling. US tech, and western tech in general, is very culturally - and by this I mean in the type of coding people have done - homogeneous. The deep seek papers published over the last two weeks are the biggest thing to happen in IA since GPT3 came out. But unless you understand distributed file systems, networking, low level linear algebra, and half a dozen other fields at least t…

100%. Western tech needs the competition. They are very prone to navel-gazing simply because SV ended up being the location for tech once. Funny how they like to crow about free markets, while also running to daddy government when their position is threatened.

Competition can only work when there is variation between the entities competing.

In the US right now you can have a death match between every AI lab, then give all the resources to the one which wins and you'd still have largely the same results as if you didn't.

The reason why Deepseek - it started life as a HFT firm - hit as hard as it did is because it was a cross disciplinary team that had very non-standard skill sets.

I've had to try and head hunt network and FPGA engineers away from HFT firms and it was basically impossible. They already make big tech (or higher) salaries without the big tech bullshit - which none of them would ever pass.

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Post by hnlurker22 »

ceejayoz wrote: post #344
hnlurker22 wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just like when people complain about OpenAI's ill practices then they use it the most

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/we-should-improve-society-som...

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/analogia-is-my-passion

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Post by [deleted] »

blitzar wrote: post #134
dchichkov wrote: post #8

>> In the proposal, OpenAI also said the U.S. needs “a copyright strategy that promotes the freedom to learn” and on “preserving American AI models’ ability to learn from copyrighted material.” Perhaps also symmetric "freedom to learn" from OpenAI models, with some provisions / naming convention? U.S. labs are limited in this way, while labs in China are not.

I should have "freedom to learn" about any Tesla in the showroom, any F-35 I see laying around an airbase or the contents of anyone in the governments bank account.

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Post by cbzbc »

noosphr wrote: post #354
mattgreenrocks wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

100%. Western tech needs the competition. They are very prone to navel-gazing simply because SV ended up being the location for tech once. Funny how they like to crow about free markets, while also running to daddy government when their position is threatened.

Competition can only work when there is variation between the entities competing. In the US right now you can have a death match between every AI lab, then give all the resources to the one which wins and you'd still have largely the same results as if you didn't. The reason why Deepseek - it started life as a HFT firm - hit as hard as it did is because it was a cross disciplinary team that had very non-standard skil…

> I've had to try and head hunt network and FPGA engineers away from HFT firms and it was basically impossible. They already make big tech (or higher) salaries without the big tech bullshit - which none of them would ever pass.

Can confirm. There are downsides, and it can get incredibly stressed at times, but there are all sorts of big tech imposed hoops you don't have to jump through.

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Post by earslap »

WorldPeas wrote: post #277
baskinator wrote: post #268

How big was the check that came with this request? For the right price their logo can go on the rose garden lawn.

gpt-47 costs at least $1m/tok

we are working on . We have considered the following path to find a solution. Are we on the right track? Only answer Yes or No.

(1 week of GPUs whirring later)

AI: Your

(that will be $1 million, thank you)

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Post by spaceguillotine »

fsndz wrote: post #264
pr337h4m wrote: post #9

>Chris Lehane, OpenAI’s vice president of global affairs, said in an interview that the US AI Safety Institute – a key government group focused on AI – could act as the main point of contact between the federal government and the private sector. If companies work with the group voluntarily to review models, the government could provide them “with liability protections including preemption from state based regulations…

DeepSeek really shook them to their core. Now they go for regulatory capture. Such a huge disappointment. Open source AI will win: https://medium.com/thoughts-on-machine-learning/the-laymans-...

Bottom is about to drop out thats why, ethics are out the window already and its gonna be worse as they claw to stay relevant.

Its a niche product that tried to go mainstream and the general public doesn't want it, just look at iPhone 16 sales and Windows 11, everyone is happier with the last version without AI.

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Post by pessimizer »

dtquad wrote: post #88

It is interesting that it is not the Hollywood/Music/Entertainment copyright lobby (RIAA, MPAA etc.) that is lobbying US states to go after OpenAI and other American AI companies. It's the New York Times and various journalist and writers' unions that are leading the charge against American AI. American journalists and opinion piece writers want to kill American AI and let China and Russia have the global lead. Why?…

> It is interesting that it is not the Hollywood/Music/Entertainment copyright lobby (RIAA, MPAA etc.)

Is it interesting? They hate the people who produce their product and are desperate to replace them with machines. Note that their unions also hate AI, and it was a central reason for for the Writer's Guild SAG-AFTRA strike, since you're bringing up the NYT unions.

The NYT also stands to benefit not an iota from AI. It probably causes a burden because they have to make sure that their awful long-in-the-tooth editorial columnists aren't turning in LLM slop. It is entirely a negative for people who generate high quality content the hard way.

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