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Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by bmitc »

svilen_dobrev wrote: post #115
pr337h4m wrote: post #9

>Chris Lehane, OpenAI’s vice president of global affairs, said in an interview that the US AI Safety Institute – a key government group focused on AI – could act as the main point of contact between the federal government and the private sector. If companies work with the group voluntarily to review models, the government could provide them “with liability protections including preemption from state based regulations…

> ask for regulation then ask for exempt That's exactly what has been happening: Ask HN: Why is OpenAI pushing for regulation so much - 2023 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36045397

It's a common tactic in new fields. Fusion, AI, you name it are all actively lobbying to get new regulation because they are "different", and the individual companies want to ensure that it's them that sets the tone.

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Post by mullingitover »

woah wrote: post #275
taurath wrote: post #41

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It still warps my brain, they’ve taken trillions of dollars of industry and made a product worth billions by stealing it. IP is practically the basis of the economy, and these models warp and obfuscate ownership of everything, like a giant reset button on who can hold knowledge. It wouldn’t be legal, or allowed if tech wasn't seen as the growth path of our economy. It’s a hell of a needle to thread and it’s unlikely…

"IP" is a very new concept in our culture and completely absent in other cultures. It was invented to prevent verbatim reprints of books, but even so, the publishing industry existed for hundreds of years before then. It's been expanded greatly in the past 50 years. Acting like copyright is some natural law of the universe that LLMs are upending simply because they can learn from written texts is silly. If you want t…

> It was invented to prevent verbatim reprints of books

It was also invented to keep the publishing houses under control and keep them from papering the land in anti-crown propaganda (like the stuff that fueled the civil war in England and got Charles I beheaded).

Probably one of the biggest brewing fights will be whether the models are free to tell the truth or whether they'll be mouthpieces for the ruling class. As long as they play ball with the powers that be, I predict copyrights won't be a problem at all for the chosen winners.

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Post by stuckkeys »

natch wrote: post #299
OkGoDoIt wrote: post #184

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For those of us who don’t recognize him by name, can you spell it out a little more clearly please?

Heavy hitter lawyer, PR expert. Some google terms: Masters of disaster, Spin cycle.

Sounds like a pleasant person.

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Post by __loam »

visarga wrote: post #159
Bjorkbat wrote: post #124

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Can't believe I'm actually rooting for the copyright cartels in this fight. But that does make me think, that in a sane society with a functional legislature I wouldn't have to pick a dog in this fight. I'd have have enough faith in lawmakers and the political process to pursue a path towards copyright reform that reigns in abuses from both AI companies and megacorp rightsholders Alas, for now I'm hoping that aforeme…

> Can't believe I'm actually rooting for the copyright cartels in this fight. The same megacorps are suing Internet Archive for their collection of 78rpm records. These guys would rather see art orphaned and die.

They're suing Internet Archive because IA scanned a bunch of copyrighted books to put online for free (e: without even attempting to get permission to do so) then refused to take them down when they got a C&D lol. IA is putting the whole project at risk so they can do literal copyright infringement with no consequences.

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Post by Joel_Mckay »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #309
Joel_Mckay wrote: post #183

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Regulatory capture is a common strategy for synthetic monopolistic competitive firms, and suckers high on their own ego. Deepseek already proved regulation will not be effective at maintaining a market lead. =3

Why won't it? If you get fined millions of dollars (for copyright, of course) if you're found to have anything resembling DeepSeek on your machine - no company in the US is going to run it. The personal market is going to be much smaller than the enterprise market.

The artificial token commodity can now be functionally replicated on a per location basis on $40k in hardware (far lower cost than nvidia hardware.)

Copyright licensing is just a detail corporations are well experienced dealing with in a commercial setting, and note some gov organizations are already exempt from copyright laws. However, people likely just won't host in countries with silly policies.

Best regards =3

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Post by triceratops »

dylan604 wrote: post #198
triceratops wrote: post #96

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I missed the part where OpenAI got library cards for all the libraries in the world. Is having a library card a requirement for being hired over there?

I missed the part where we throw away rational logic skills Have you never been to a public library and read a book while sitting there without checking it out? Clearly, age is a factor here, and us olds are confused by this lack of understanding of how libraries function. I did my entire term paper without ever checking out books from the library. I just showed up with my stack of blank index cards, then left with t…

> Have you never been to a public library and read a book while sitting there without checking it out?

See my comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43355723. If OpenAI built a robot that physically went into libraries, pulled books off shelves by itself, and read them...that's so cool I wouldn't even be mad.

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Post by doctorwho42 »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #309
Joel_Mckay wrote: post #183

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Regulatory capture is a common strategy for synthetic monopolistic competitive firms, and suckers high on their own ego. Deepseek already proved regulation will not be effective at maintaining a market lead. =3

Why won't it? If you get fined millions of dollars (for copyright, of course) if you're found to have anything resembling DeepSeek on your machine - no company in the US is going to run it. The personal market is going to be much smaller than the enterprise market.

Great another market force to widdle away the US' economic power, so obviously trump/musk will pass this immediately

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by mkagenius »

bmitc wrote: post #331
svilen_dobrev wrote: post #115

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> ask for regulation then ask for exempt That's exactly what has been happening: Ask HN: Why is OpenAI pushing for regulation so much - 2023 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36045397

It's a common tactic in new fields. Fusion, AI, you name it are all actively lobbying to get new regulation because they are "different", and the individual companies want to ensure that it's them that sets the tone.

Looks the same as taking "rebate for green energy" and then asking to "stop such rebates" a few years later
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