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OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by diego_sandoval »

sega_sai wrote: post #22
dchichkov wrote: post #8

>> In the proposal, OpenAI also said the U.S. needs “a copyright strategy that promotes the freedom to learn” and on “preserving American AI models’ ability to learn from copyrighted material.” Perhaps also symmetric "freedom to learn" from OpenAI models, with some provisions / naming convention? U.S. labs are limited in this way, while labs in China are not.

I like how this "freedom to learn" should apply to models, but not real people..

I would assume that the request is for it to apply to models in the way that it currently applies to humans.

If a human buys a movie, he can watch it and learn about its contents, and then talk about those contents, and he can create a similar movie with a similar theme.

If OpenAI buys a movie and shows it to their model, it's unclear whether the model can talk about the contents of the movie and create a similar movie with a similar theme.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by m1el »

TheSoftwareGuy wrote: post #23
sega_sai wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like how this "freedom to learn" should apply to models, but not real people..

It already applies to real people, doesn't it? I.e. if you read a book, you're not allowed to start printing and selling copies of that book without permission of the copyright owner, but if you learn something from that book you can use that knowledge, just like a model could.

when it comes to real people, they get sued into oblivion for downloading copyrighted content, even for the purpose of learning. but when facebook & openai do it, at a much larger scale, suddenly the laws must be changed.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by pvg »

freedomben wrote: post #18
freedomben wrote: post #2

Related (adjacent content from the same report): OpenAI urges Trump administration to remove guardrails for the industry (cnbc.com) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43354324

Apparently the above has been marked as a dupe (I hope not from a misunderstanding of what "adjacent" means), but ftr it covers different stuff. e.g. there's nothing about the classified data model proposal in TFA

Slightly different coverage of the same event usually count as dupes on HN. You could link the reporting you want to emphasize/discuss, the HN submission itself is not that important.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by danans »

jokethrowaway wrote: post #11
gkoberger wrote: post #7

I hate this game. I hate that Sam Altman publicly supported Trump (both financially and by showing up). Maybe I hate that he "had" to do this for the sake of his company, or maybe I hate that he _didn't_ have to do it and is a hypocrite. Maybe I just hate how easily laws can be shaped by $1M and a few nice words. Either way, I hate that it worked.

centralising power never works well for the good of society

It's not true that it never works.

Centralizing production goals, decision making, and expenditure at the Federal government is what made the industrial response to WW2 successful. Centralizing tax revenue to fund retirements for the elderly (Social Security) resulted in the poverty rate of seniors being brought far lower. Centralizing zoning control at the state of California is _finally_ starting to make localities take responsibility for building more housing. These were/are centralizing efforts with the intent of helping the masses over the wealthy few.

What doesn't work is centralizing power with the intent of concentrating wealth and security by taking wealth, labor, and security from working people, AKA extractive institutions.

That's true whether it's the donor-class funded political establishment or regimes like the current US kleptocracy doing it.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by [deleted] »

AzzyHN wrote: post #29
Jcampuzano2 wrote: post #24

I know a lot of people will hate on things like this, but the reality is they are right that guardrails only serve to hurt us in the long run, at least at this pivotal point in time. I don't like Trump personally as a caveat. Yes it is a fact they did build themselves up on top of mountains of copyrighted material, and that AI has a lot of potential to do harm, but if they are forced to stop or slow down foreign acto…

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Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by triceratops »

TheSoftwareGuy wrote: post #23
sega_sai wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like how this "freedom to learn" should apply to models, but not real people..

It already applies to real people, doesn't it? I.e. if you read a book, you're not allowed to start printing and selling copies of that book without permission of the copyright owner, but if you learn something from that book you can use that knowledge, just like a model could.

Can I download a book without paying for it, and print copies of it? Stash copies in my bathroom, the gym, my office, my bedroom etc. to basically have a copy on hand to study from whenever I have some free time?

What about movies and music?

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by mistrial9 »

bilbo0s wrote: post #19
6stringmerc wrote: post #12

Tell you what, set up a Federal level disclosure process online of all the copyright protected works used in training OpenAI for the creators / rights holders to get equity (out of the pockets of the C-Suite and Board) via claiming their due, and we’ll take you seriously. All the profit and none of the liability is Coward Capitalism.

All the profit and none of the liability is Coward Capitalism While I agree with you in principle, there's little that can be done because the current crop of crony capitalists will likely support the idea of no liability for tech companies. Especially when it comes to ripping off copyrighted material. Everything from blog posts, to videos, to music, to any source code you post on the internet will be used to train m…

appeasement?

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by m1el »

diego_sandoval wrote: post #31
sega_sai wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like how this "freedom to learn" should apply to models, but not real people..

I would assume that the request is for it to apply to models in the way that it currently applies to humans. If a human buys a movie, he can watch it and learn about its contents, and then talk about those contents, and he can create a similar movie with a similar theme. If OpenAI buys a movie and shows it to their model, it's unclear whether the model can talk about the contents of the movie and create a similar mov…

somehow, I suspect openai didn't "buy" all of the articles, books, websites they crawled and torrented.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by mitthrowaway2 »

diego_sandoval wrote: post #31
sega_sai wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like how this "freedom to learn" should apply to models, but not real people..

I would assume that the request is for it to apply to models in the way that it currently applies to humans. If a human buys a movie, he can watch it and learn about its contents, and then talk about those contents, and he can create a similar movie with a similar theme. If OpenAI buys a movie and shows it to their model, it's unclear whether the model can talk about the contents of the movie and create a similar mov…

Is OpenAI buying the movie, or just taking it?

Since "buying" a movie (as it currently applies to humans) is just buying a limited license to it for private viewing, can't the copyright holder opt to limit the $4.99 license terms to human viewing, and charge $4999 for an AI training license?

Or OpenAI could buy movies the way Disney does, by buying the actual copyright to the film.

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