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Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google

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Post by TheDong »

dismalaf wrote: post #159
tredre3 wrote: post #155

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But unlike Brave and Edge, Vivaldi isn't open-source.

https://vivaldi.com/blog/technology/why-isnt-vivaldi-browser... They basically just want to keep the copyright to their UI. You can see the source but they don't want anyone to rip off their UI. And let's be real, every browser (even Firefox) has closed source server side code. Also, the comment I initially responded to was about why isn't there a European browser not controlled by "big tech"... Vivaldi is an indepen…

> And let's be real, every browser (even Firefox) has closed source server side code.

What is Firefox's? Accounts and Sync are both open source, and I'm struggling to think of anything else

i.e. https://github.com/mozilla/fxa

Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google

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Post by aucisson_masque »

usr1106 wrote: post #284
cship2 wrote: post #260

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Just make a new profile like all chromium based browser

Can you use accounts just like Firefox containers? E.g. use right click to choose opening a link in a new tab running a different account? Genuine question from a FF user.

No, it's inferior in every way possible because it's not meant to be used to enforce privacy but to allow multiple users on a same computer to use a same browser without seeing each other history and setting.

For each profile, you would have to install again every extension, set every setting, every bookmark,.. of course no sync between your main profile and others.

Can't right click on link to open them in another profile.

No automatic opening of profiles when you go on a specific url

And so on.

On the other hand, brave will push it's crypto crap, web3 and 'bat coins' everywhere.

Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google

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Post by netsharc »

Hyperboreanal wrote: post #325
fenomas wrote: post #316

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And to do so in bad faith, no less - the event seems to have had 2-3 sessions related to feminism (out of a couple dozen), but no connection beyond that. https://schedule.mozillafestival.org/plaza

"Bad faith" just means "I disagree" huh? That "2-3" should be zero. Activist woke BS needs to be excised from Mozilla. It all brings nothing but conflict, waste, and censorship. Tech companies need to focus on tech. Go peddle your cancer somewhere else.

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Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google

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Post by netsharc »

Lanolderen wrote: post #372
hofrogs wrote: post #348

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> nobody wants to ... If you don't want something, don't think everyone else thinks the same as you. From my observations, if something is being called "woke", that means it's probably a good thing, actually.

He's right though. The way to get clients long term is to have a better product. Competing in marketing against Google is a terrible idea considering their main business. Firefox should just be a better, more user friendly product because that's the weakness of Chrome, especially now that they're actively messing with adblocking and they're focusing on everything but developing the actual product.

To use the car analogy, if you want to buy a car, and you can choose between 2 models (and from all the features and prices and luxury and build quality they're equal), and it's a choice between a Tesla and a Ford, which would you choose, at this moment?

What if the Tesla is slightly better?

Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google

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Post by netsharc »

gigatexal wrote: post #332
Kwpolska wrote: post #323

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I don't want my browser to be dependent on Marc Andreessen. And he doesn't want to do things useful to humanity anyway.

Right. The money would be a gift to a foundation where he couldn’t control it. A no strings attached 100% tax deductible gift to the foundation with the only strings that they focus on the browser and survive on the interest, and lay off unnecessary management (10-20 dedicated web engineers and a PM and an HR person what else do you need). But do you also want the browser beholden to the parent company of its direct…

Haha, I can see the strings you're attaching if you had his money.

Of course we all believe "But what I think is best for them is a good thing!".

Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google

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Post by Lanolderen »

netsharc wrote: post #384
Lanolderen wrote: post #372

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He's right though. The way to get clients long term is to have a better product. Competing in marketing against Google is a terrible idea considering their main business. Firefox should just be a better, more user friendly product because that's the weakness of Chrome, especially now that they're actively messing with adblocking and they're focusing on everything but developing the actual product.

To use the car analogy, if you want to buy a car, and you can choose between 2 models (and from all the features and prices and luxury and build quality they're equal), and it's a choice between a Tesla and a Ford, which would you choose, at this moment? What if the Tesla is slightly better?

I'm missing your point at the moment but likely Ford due to parts/service center access if they're equal. Depending on how slightly better it is and whether I plan to keep it long term to where I might need to get things on it repaired I might hop over to the Tesla. Can you elaborate a bit on where we're going with this?

Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google

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Post by cursor_it_all »

rwmj wrote: post #361
cmcaleer wrote: post #359

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Imagine if a competent CEO had been at the wheel. Instead of spending quite literally billions on who knows what (certainly not a significantly better, more competitive Firefox), Mozilla could have instead transitioned to an endowed foundation model and built a sustainable, long-term future that could weather a scenario like today’s DOJ case which was not impossible to foresee (US v. Microsoft was in 2001 after all).

They were competently directing that money into their bank accounts.

> They were competently directing that money into their bank accounts.

And selling user data: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43209768

Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google

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Post by netsharc »

Lanolderen wrote: post #387
netsharc wrote: post #384

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To use the car analogy, if you want to buy a car, and you can choose between 2 models (and from all the features and prices and luxury and build quality they're equal), and it's a choice between a Tesla and a Ford, which would you choose, at this moment? What if the Tesla is slightly better?

I'm missing your point at the moment but likely Ford due to parts/service center access if they're equal. Depending on how slightly better it is and whether I plan to keep it long term to where I might need to get things on it repaired I might hop over to the Tesla. Can you elaborate a bit on where we're going with this?

I was trying to say, Tesla is now a toxic brand not because of their product quality, but because of what their CEO is doing... at least for a lot of people the behavior of the corporation and people in it plays a role in buying products.

So it's a question of if Firefox and Chrome are just competing in quality. I can see people swearing off Chrome because of Google, as well as the same with Firefox because of its activism.

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