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Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google

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Post by Kwpolska »

notpushkin wrote: post #288
derkster wrote: post #240

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I've been bringing this up in every single thread about Chrome and Manifest V3 pops up. I'm been using Firefox, 100% of the time, on three different operating systems, for probably six years at this point. I can remember a single time I had to swap to Chrome for something, and it was three years ago, and involved some flavor of WebAssembly, I believe. If anyone can point out a current website that is acting up under…

There’s one feature on LinkedIn that doesn’t work in Firefox (you can’t reorder skill list in your profile – dragging doesn’t do anything). That was the only time I’ve opened Chromium in the past couple of years, though – apart from testing my own websites, of course.

Drag and drop controls exist on the Web for decades. How did Microsoft mess theirs up so that it doesn't work on Firefox?

(I actually had that exact issue yesterday; I managed to do it on the Android app, and didn't think this was an issue with Firefox specifically.)

Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google

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Post by rat9988 »

tonyhart7 wrote: post #90
noxer wrote: post #70

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Have you asked the people who pay in the end (the taxpayer) if they want that? The very last thing I want my taxes to go to is anything that has "no strings attached". Its by definition a gift and gifting taxes should be a crime.

if its come with string attached then another agency (ehm ehm intelligence) would try to get their hands on them

Agencies seem to get involved even in private "independant" companies. It has nothing to do with the official string attachments.

Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google

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Post by Kwpolska »

gigatexal wrote: post #307

Marc Andreesen owes his riches to Netscape whose ashes became Mozilla. I don’t understand why he doesn’t give the Mozilla foundation and endowment such that the interest on the endowment would fund work solely on the browser. They could then just work on the browser and nothing more. No need to do marketing, have a venture arm, millions for management, etc. it could be a group of 10 or 20 really awesome engineers and…

I don't want my browser to be dependent on Marc Andreessen. And he doesn't want to do things useful to humanity anyway.

Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google

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Post by Hyperboreanal »

fenomas wrote: post #316
matsemann wrote: post #312

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It's unfortunately vogue to mention DEI-efforts to cast bad light on something.

And to do so in bad faith, no less - the event seems to have had 2-3 sessions related to feminism (out of a couple dozen), but no connection beyond that. https://schedule.mozillafestival.org/plaza

"Bad faith" just means "I disagree" huh? That "2-3" should be zero. Activist woke BS needs to be excised from Mozilla. It all brings nothing but conflict, waste, and censorship. Tech companies need to focus on tech. Go peddle your cancer somewhere else.

Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google

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Post by Kwpolska »

dismalaf wrote: post #135
bladeee wrote: post #131

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But it depends on the Blink engine.

So? Blink is a fork of WebKit which was a fork of KDE's web engine. It's all open source anyway. The point isn't that the code must be unique, only that it's not dependent on a large US tech firm. They might benefit from Chromium development but the option to hard fork is always there.

Blink is a Google project, primarily maintained by Google employees.

Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google

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Post by sfink »

notpushkin wrote: post #124
regularjack wrote: post #112

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The petition should instead be asking Mozilla to allow people to directly donate to Firefox development.

This is a good idea. I don’t think I should change the petition now that it’s signed by a significant number of people, but I agree targeted donations could help somewhat (although mainly I think we need to urge Mozilla to direct its other income into Firefox development, too).

This is a good idea on paper. But it turns out that having a for-profit corporation (as Mozilla Corporation is) accept donations, especially donations earmarked for certain purposes, is understandably tricky from a regulatory and tax standpoint. You can do it, but it comes with lots of rules and restrictions, and constrains the company in weird ways that kind of make sense, since it's kind of similar to money laundering. (And I'm not talking about tax deductible donations, which are a no go for obvious reasons. "Don't pay us $50 for our product, donate $50 and we'll give you the product for free, and you'll lower your taxes!")

The Mozilla Foundation is what you can donate to, and you can do it because it's a non-profit. But it doesn't make Firefox. It owns Mozilla Corporation, which does. And it can't just dump donated money into Mozilla Corp either; regulators are not naive.

Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google

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Post by Hyperboreanal »

nativeit wrote: post #108
theandrewbailey wrote: post #85

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> The bad news is that donations are unlikely to happen with the current massive misspending on overpaid people with no technical background that don't code that spend 95% of their budget on themselves, support staff that also doesn't code, offices they don't need, commercial products that flop, monetization schemes that fail, etc. Mozilla already solicits donations, but I wonder if people who donate to them know tha…

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Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google

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Post by Hyperboreanal »

matsemann wrote: post #313
theandrewbailey wrote: post #119

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Let me repeat myself: > All I ever wanted from Mozilla was a browser Firefox is the best alternative to a Chromium/Google dominated web. As long as Firefox isn't kicking ass and being used by, say, 20% of web users, I argue that Mozilla shouldn't be doing anything else. This is especially prudent when a large part of Mozilla's (and therefore, Firefox's) funding is in jeopardy. So, yes, I have a problem with Mozilla d…

> As long as Firefox isn't kicking ass and being used by, say, 20% of web users, I argue that Mozilla shouldn't be doing anything else (...) I have a problem with Mozilla doing events right now Consider it marketing, and think about if the market share would have been even lower if they didn't do outreach. Most people don't select a browser based on technical merits (heck, they don't even consciously choose). Saying…

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