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Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google

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Post by YetAnotherNick »

culi wrote: post #301
rightbyte wrote: post #25

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How about not involving governments in how Firefox is run. Especially not those keen on backdoors and "Chat control". It could be a stand alone association ruled by its members or a classic free-for-all whatever goes code talks FOSS project.

They don't have to tell them how to run it. But it would be for the benefit of everyone if they could give grants to Mozilla to help them wean off of Google Mozilla has been less and less dependent on Google and is now working on a VPN, MDN Plus, and other revenue streams that are also helping it become more independent. But the truth is that if all Google money suddenly stopped today, there would be no more Mozilla

The problem is that the people in power to remove the funding are the same people who are pushing for chat control and removal of encryption. Even if say the terms says that the funding is just a sponsorship, it would encourage few government folks to look out for more knowing the company would die if they stop funding.

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Post by matsemann »

metabagel wrote: post #242
theandrewbailey wrote: post #85

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> The bad news is that donations are unlikely to happen with the current massive misspending on overpaid people with no technical background that don't code that spend 95% of their budget on themselves, support staff that also doesn't code, offices they don't need, commercial products that flop, monetization schemes that fail, etc. Mozilla already solicits donations, but I wonder if people who donate to them know tha…

How much did Mozilla spend on this conference? They sell badges to attendees, who must also pay for their own accommodations and airfare. Were there other sponsors? I'm not sure this is the smoking gun you think it is.

It's unfortunately vogue to mention DEI-efforts to cast bad light on something.

Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google

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Post by matsemann »

theandrewbailey wrote: post #119
nativeit wrote: post #108

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Let me repeat myself: > All I ever wanted from Mozilla was a browser Firefox is the best alternative to a Chromium/Google dominated web. As long as Firefox isn't kicking ass and being used by, say, 20% of web users, I argue that Mozilla shouldn't be doing anything else. This is especially prudent when a large part of Mozilla's (and therefore, Firefox's) funding is in jeopardy. So, yes, I have a problem with Mozilla d…

> As long as Firefox isn't kicking ass and being used by, say, 20% of web users, I argue that Mozilla shouldn't be doing anything else (...) I have a problem with Mozilla doing events right now

Consider it marketing, and think about if the market share would have been even lower if they didn't do outreach. Most people don't select a browser based on technical merits (heck, they don't even consciously choose). Saying they should spend every penny on developers is naive.

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Post by vkou »

throwaway48476 wrote: post #162
magicmicah85 wrote: post #142

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I use Firefox for Container tabs. It’s useful for sites where I can’t have multiple tabs opened to same site but different login. That’s my main reason for sticking to Firefox.

Container tabs is the most useful browser feature anywhere. Now if they would just add tab history tracking.

Their current market share is 3%. What do you think it will be once they add tab history tracking, and every other feature under the sun that you think their browser should have?

Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google

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Post by matsemann »

raincole wrote: post #24

So who are going to fund them? Sorry for being cynical, but this "petition" sounds like telling depressed people to "just be more positive." Sure, just find more revenue streams. Just be sustainable. It's so easy!

And every time they try to get an alternate revenue stream, someone on HN will then shout "just focus on the browser!!". Mozilla can't please the crowd no matter what they do.

Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google

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Post by fenomas »

matsemann wrote: post #312
metabagel wrote: post #242

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How much did Mozilla spend on this conference? They sell badges to attendees, who must also pay for their own accommodations and airfare. Were there other sponsors? I'm not sure this is the smoking gun you think it is.

It's unfortunately vogue to mention DEI-efforts to cast bad light on something.

And to do so in bad faith, no less - the event seems to have had 2-3 sessions related to feminism (out of a couple dozen), but no connection beyond that.

https://schedule.mozillafestival.org/plaza

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Post by porridgeraisin »

mastazi wrote: post #221
porridgeraisin wrote: post #136

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Interesting. What are you noticing? I might run ublock on top as well if it's worth it.

Brave has built-in functionality that can replace uBO, but it doesn't replace all of the other Manifestv2-only extensions that are not necessarily adblockers. For example https://libredirect.github.io/faq.html#chrome_web_store > We can't publish LibRedirect to the Chrome Web Store as it requires Manifest v3, which removed essential features that LibRedirect needs. uBlock Origin is just the tip of the iceberg since it…

My parent poster and I mentioned specifically ublock origin features

Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google

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Post by porridgeraisin »

lordofgibbons wrote: post #211
porridgeraisin wrote: post #103

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Brave does not need manifest v2 for it's ad blocker to work. It is not implemented as an extension. It is built into the browser itself.

Does the default Brave ad blocker block Youtube ads?

Yes.

You can have all the usual ublock origin behaviour custom filter lists and all that, about:adblock

Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google

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Post by renegat0x0 »

To be honest browser is not that important for me. It collects a lot of data about you, but I think search engine is more important for society. It is the lens through which we see the world.

I have already seen that many folks switched to using several engines, because you see more that way. Personally I like searxng. There is gpt also obviously.

Sometimes I also search domains I crawled.

https://github.com/rumca-js/Internet-Places-Database

Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google

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Post by kbrosnan »

culi wrote: post #299
whyenot wrote: post #245

I donated a lot of time, code, and at least a little money to early Mozilla and Firefox. They were a lot more dynamic and engaging when they were a small nonprofit. Now it feels like thanks to Google money they have become fat and lazy. Unable to take risks because it might threaten their income stream or their relationship with Google. It makes me sad and angry to see what they have become. Maybe a diet will help, b…

They've been pretty hard at work to offer services that will let them wean themselves off of Google money. This is how much of their income came from search royalties yearly according to their independent auditor reports 2023: 75.8 2022: 86.0 2021: 87.8 2020: 88.8 2019: [^a] 2018: 95.3 2017: 95.9 [^a]: this was a weird year where their "other" income got a massive one-time boost. I'm not sure what happened. Did they…

That is the Oath Verizon/Yahoo search contract settlement.
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