If they ditch Google, they lose their income. Seems like a bad idea...
Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google
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Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google
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Maybe they will find out you don’t need $555M a year to make a web browser. First good step would be to fire that useless CEO.
Can you explain how? Or is your argument "One guy in a basement in Bulgaria could build Firefox for 50 Stotinki."?
What about the ladybird browser developers. They are mostly volunteers with some paid via donations and sponsors.
Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google
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How about not involving governments in how Firefox is run. Especially not those keen on backdoors and "Chat control". It could be a stand alone association ruled by its members or a classic free-for-all whatever goes code talks FOSS project.
A gaggle of governments with conflicting interests are less fearful than some private individuals with simple goals - like getting rich. Currently private companies rule the browser world and they wield incredible power over everything from standards to PKI. Their interest is a world that depends on them even more.
They seem united on censoring free speech and removing all privacy.
Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google
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Exactly. Manifest v2 is the bullet case for why Chromium isn't sufficient. Also, we best not forget their efforts with web integrity
Brave is based on Chromium and it still supports manifest v2. Brave offers everything Firefox does and more --- like privacy by default (which Firefox could but won't do for obvious reasons) --- all without millions in direct Google payola. https://brave.com/blog/brave-shields-manifest-v3/
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Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google
#235> Tell Mozilla: it’s time to ditch Google
Oh, so _they_ are the problem now?
And I thought the problem was that Mozilla was selling user data!
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43209768
Silly me!
Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google
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> Do the people in Zambia deserve an open, equitable web any less than Americans or Europeans do? They deserve an open, equitable web as much as we all do. I'm afraid that Mozilla's tendencies to waste money on such projects instead of using it to improve their main product aren't helping though.
5% lmaooooo
Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google
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The good news is that development could easily be funded by donations. It's only a few million. Enough to keep a few dozen people employed. The bad news is that donations are unlikely to happen with the current massive misspending on overpaid people with no technical background that don't code that spend 95% of their budget on themselves, support staff that also doesn't code, offices they don't need, commercial produ…
> good news is that development could easily be funded by donations Mozilla’s donations are roughly equal to their CEO’s compensation [1][2]. [1] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/annualreport/2024/a... ”$7.8M in donations from the public, grants from foundations, and government funding” in 2023 [2] https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2022/mozilla-fdn-990... $6.9mm in 2022, page 7
this is hilarious
Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google
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I know your intention is probably well placed but we do though need to factor in revenues: Year Revenue ---- ------- 2007 $75M 2023 $653M I bring this up because G&A of big companies (in general) always outpaces R&D once they hit scale ... and in an ideal situation - your revenues should outpace R&D expense because you're getting economies of scale (which further dilutes the R&D to Other Business Function comparison)…
Mozilla is the underdog, though; they're just not acting like it anymore.
I wouldn't call an underdog someone who takes their competitor's money. In sports, that might even be called throwing.
Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google
#239Earlier quoted context omitted.
The good news is that development could easily be funded by donations. It's only a few million. Enough to keep a few dozen people employed. The bad news is that donations are unlikely to happen with the current massive misspending on overpaid people with no technical background that don't code that spend 95% of their budget on themselves, support staff that also doesn't code, offices they don't need, commercial produ…
> The good news is that development could easily be funded by donations. It's only a few million. Enough to keep a few dozen people employed. These numbers are highly unrealistic.
you know keyboard warriors? keyboards CEOs also exist apprently
Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google
#240We need to be honest about what value Firefox really has left. Commercially, it's completely irrelevant. On big websites it doesn't even show up in the top 10 browsers and it's almost entirely absent on mobile. Site owners can readily ignore Firefox. Firefox is no longer a developer default. I'm sure some of us in our bubble have strong personal preferences but the entire dev ecosystem is chrome-based. Very advanced…
I have never once had an issue with a website that was solved by opening it in Chrome instead. and I switched to firefox like three years ago. If firefox is so much less supported, I'm not seeing it at least
I've been bringing this up in every single thread about Chrome and Manifest V3 pops up. I'm been using Firefox, 100% of the time, on three different operating systems, for probably six years at this point.
I can remember a single time I had to swap to Chrome for something, and it was three years ago, and involved some flavor of WebAssembly, I believe.
If anyone can point out a current website that is acting up under Firefox and not Chrome, please post it. I just want want to know that the "Firefox is inferior" argument isn't a decade old echo.