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Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by gowld »

deepGem wrote: post #156
spankalee wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On one hand, I agree with you, on the other, as a former Googler I think that "just needs better coaching" is a huge barrier in Google's current corporate culture and environment. Google as a whole has a long history of not being able to successfully build great products out of great tech. That seems wrong from looking at search, Gmail, Maps*, Docs*, etc., but I think these are cases where a single great insight or i…

Waymo clearly stands out as an exception amongst all moonshots that Google went after. However, they don't seem to have that one axis advantage in Waymo. I can't believe they didn't double, triple down on their efforts to build a fully integrated car. Compared to Apple, they were at a much better position to do this because of all the underlying tech/models and research. May be that's the problem - that there is no o…

Waymo is a "Bet", so it's not managed by anyone in Google except for Alphabet CEO.

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Post by [deleted] »

croissants wrote: post #146
delichon wrote: post #13

I read too much scifi, and almost none of it has updated on the current state of AI. For example spaceships swarming with low skill level crew members that swab the decks and replace air filters. Or depending on a single engineer to be the only one with the crucial knowledge to save the ship in an emergency. If scifi authors aren't keeping up it's hard to expect the rest of us to. But the macro and micro economic cha…

I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned Blindsight . I don't think it's a spoiler to say that it is a book about the place of human intelligence in a universe with other options, both biological and artificial.

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Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by verall »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #37

Google is probably the most undervalued tech company there is currently, by far : 1.) Has cutting edge in house AI models (Like OpenAI, Anthropic, Grok, etc.) 2.) Has cutting edge in house AI hardware acceleration (Like Nvidia) 3.) Has (likely) cutting edge robotics (Like Boston Dynamics, Tesla, Figure) 4.) Has industry leading self driving taxis (Like Tesla wants) 5.) Has all the other stuff that Google does. (Like…

This is interesting because I think the opposite. What is amazing about Google seems to be their incredible ability to squander their lead in absolutely every area.

Maps used to be the absolute best and now I frequently get baffling driving directions in a US major metro area. No improvements within the last 10 years. New pixel phones are worse than latest Samsung. Some huge lead in AI absolutely totaled, their investment in anthropic their only hope. Inference HW accelerators that noone uses.

They are becoming like M$ - I expect M$ to be this terrible at product development - but at least M$ is fantastic at making money despite terrible products.

Google has allowed search experience to slide so much people would rather use some slow-ass unreliable chatbot. Are they really losing the war on SEO or have they decided that the internet-of-shit (i.e. affiliate marketing) is more valuable?

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by Viliam1234 »

gatinsama wrote: post #100

The problem with Google is that their ad business brings so much revenue that no other product makes sense. They will use whatever they learn with robots to raise their ad revenue, somehow.

Probably will use the robots to spy on their users in real life, and then sell the information to the advertisers.

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Post by FilosofumRex »

Promotion of Indian/Indian American CEOs, in established companies, after the founders have cashed in, is proof of shareholders value maximizer having won control of the firm. Their main contribution being offshoring, not just the labor, but the culture as well.

Google was already an advertising monopoly by the time this happened and his job is to sell ads and minimize costs...the rest of Google is just there for marketing & public relations

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by asadm »

saberience wrote: post #39
metayrnc wrote: post #2

I am not sure whether the videos are representative of real life performance or it is a marketing stunt but sure looks impressive. Reminds of the robot arm in Iron Man 1.

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the difference is the dynamic nature of things here.

Current arms and their workspaces are calibrated to mm. Here it's more messy.

Older algorithms are more brittle than having a model do it.

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Post by tim333 »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #145
Workaccount2 wrote: post #37

Google is probably the most undervalued tech company there is currently, by far : 1.) Has cutting edge in house AI models (Like OpenAI, Anthropic, Grok, etc.) 2.) Has cutting edge in house AI hardware acceleration (Like Nvidia) 3.) Has (likely) cutting edge robotics (Like Boston Dynamics, Tesla, Figure) 4.) Has industry leading self driving taxis (Like Tesla wants) 5.) Has all the other stuff that Google does. (Like…

Google had really great products, that almost everyone I knew used, then they scrapped them for new shiny thing that competed. The one that angers me most is Google Talk, it used to work with any XMPP client, until it did not, and now its long since dead. They made their own version of tinychat (hangouts) and then mostly killed that too. Obligatory overview of things Google has killed, because its easy to forget some…

You'd think they'd be better off spinning them off rather than killing them?

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Post by karmasimida »

Rastonbury wrote: post #137
karmasimida wrote: post #107

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Their AI strategy is just baffling. It lacks direction and vision. They have a thinking model way back ago, which is pretty good with clean CoT and good performance close to R1. But it never gets any marketing whatever. Veo2 has really good performance too, yet it is so slow in its rollout now Chinese competitors are getting all attentions because it is just easier to access. It feels to me that Google is reliving it…

I think its 2 things, but Google is big and slow but also they do not need to monetize the models like OAI. If they believe models get commoditized (Meta's plan), heavy investment is wasteful. AI summaries keeping Search strong and people using the Google bar instead of chatgpt is probably their priority. They have Gemini and rolled out AI in Workspace and I believe they still have the most capability million token m…

I don’t think it is do not need to, it is mainly they can’t at this moment. None of their LLMs are better than competitors, then it is not monetizable.

ChatGPT is already top 5 websites people visit, it is behind Google, but it will eat into its business very soon. That will happen regardless.

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Post by aziaziazi »

ekidd wrote: post #40
delichon wrote: post #13

I read too much scifi, and almost none of it has updated on the current state of AI. For example spaceships swarming with low skill level crew members that swab the decks and replace air filters. Or depending on a single engineer to be the only one with the crucial knowledge to save the ship in an emergency. If scifi authors aren't keeping up it's hard to expect the rest of us to. But the macro and micro economic cha…

> For example spaceships swarming with low skill level crew members that swab the decks and replace air filters. This is largely a function of what science fiction you read. Military SF is basically about retelling Horatio Hornblower stories in space, and it has never been seriously grounded in science. This isn't a criticism, exactly. But if you look at, say, the award-winning science fiction of the 90s, for example…

Plausible SF plot: some (sort of) humans cobayes try to escape the robots biotech shiplab.

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Post by dingnuts »

finnh wrote: post #147
UncleOxidant wrote: post #80

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In The Mountain in the Sea by Ray Nayler there are fleets of fishing boats that are all controlled by AI to maximize the catch. Each boat also has it's own AI that can act somewhat independently, but they all communicate with the main corporate AI as well as with other boats in the vicinity. Initially the boats are all fully automated and have robots doing all the work, but in the ocean environment the robots tend to…

Of course, we already live in this reality - just substitute "Corporation" for "AI".

Oooh edgyyyyyy comment! Truly you are awake and the rest of us are asleep.

Tell me, which corporation exactly is kidnapping and drugging people to enslave them and then discard their bodies at sea to feed the capitalist global machine?

It seems like you have a big scoop if you are doing on the ground reporting, because that seems like it would be international news if it was real!

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