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Re: Gemini Robotics

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Google is probably the most undervalued tech company there is currently, by far : 1.) Has cutting edge in house AI models (Like OpenAI, Anthropic, Grok, etc.) 2.) Has cutting edge in house AI hardware acceleration (Like Nvidia) 3.) Has (likely) cutting edge robotics (Like Boston Dynamics, Tesla, Figure) 4.) Has industry leading self driving taxis (Like Tesla wants) 5.) Has all the other stuff that Google does. (Like…

I'm ignorant, what do they have in 3) cutting edge robotics?

Re: Gemini Robotics

#102

Google is probably the most undervalued tech company there is currently, by far : 1.) Has cutting edge in house AI models (Like OpenAI, Anthropic, Grok, etc.) 2.) Has cutting edge in house AI hardware acceleration (Like Nvidia) 3.) Has (likely) cutting edge robotics (Like Boston Dynamics, Tesla, Figure) 4.) Has industry leading self driving taxis (Like Tesla wants) 5.) Has all the other stuff that Google does. (Like…

Slightly off-topic, but why is it still referred to as "Google" and not "Alphabet"?

Because the meaning of "Google" is clear while "Alphabet" is not.

Re: Gemini Robotics

#103
I love how everything is just "AI" now. Machine Learning? AI Random Forest models: AI Some basic curve fitting? AI People in India Mechanical Turk-ing responses ? AI. A guy in a van running the robot pouring you a drink? AI.

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

On one hand, I agree with you, on the other, as a former Googler I think that "just needs better coaching" is a huge barrier in Google's current corporate culture and environment. Google as a whole has a long history of not being able to successfully build great products out of great tech. That seems wrong from looking at search, Gmail, Maps*, Docs*, etc., but I think these are cases where a single great insight or i…

Google is very much suffering from the classic Innovator's Dilemma [1]; a side effect of being too focused on stock price and not long term planning. A better management with long term thinking would utilize Google's enormous base of talented engineers far better. [1] https://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Pages/item.aspx?num=46

On the topic of better management, I can't believe they haven't replaced Sundar Pichai. Satya Nadella by comparison really seemed to have turned MS around.

Larry Page was making the rounds when all of this AI hype started. He seemed to have a much more aggressive stance, even ruffling feathers about how many hours Google employees should be working to compete in AI. And there is obviously Demis Hassabis who is the most likely contender for a replacement.

I doubt it is an easy position to fill. But Pichai has presided over this lackluster Google. Even if he isn't strictly to blame, I am surprised he hasn't be replaced.

Re: Gemini Robotics

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I am not sure whether the videos are representative of real life performance or it is a marketing stunt but sure looks impressive. Reminds of the robot arm in Iron Man 1.

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This is, nearly exactly, like saying you've seen screens slowly display text before, so you're not impressed with LLM.

How it's doing it is the impressive part.

Re: Gemini Robotics

#106

Google is probably the most undervalued tech company there is currently, by far : 1.) Has cutting edge in house AI models (Like OpenAI, Anthropic, Grok, etc.) 2.) Has cutting edge in house AI hardware acceleration (Like Nvidia) 3.) Has (likely) cutting edge robotics (Like Boston Dynamics, Tesla, Figure) 4.) Has industry leading self driving taxis (Like Tesla wants) 5.) Has all the other stuff that Google does. (Like…

You forgot: has an active antitrust investigation which could in theory split the company in unpredictable ways.

Re: Gemini Robotics

#107

Google is probably the most undervalued tech company there is currently, by far : 1.) Has cutting edge in house AI models (Like OpenAI, Anthropic, Grok, etc.) 2.) Has cutting edge in house AI hardware acceleration (Like Nvidia) 3.) Has (likely) cutting edge robotics (Like Boston Dynamics, Tesla, Figure) 4.) Has industry leading self driving taxis (Like Tesla wants) 5.) Has all the other stuff that Google does. (Like…

Their AI strategy is just baffling. It lacks direction and vision.

They have a thinking model way back ago, which is pretty good with clean CoT and good performance close to R1. But it never gets any marketing whatever.

Veo2 has really good performance too, yet it is so slow in its rollout now Chinese competitors are getting all attentions because it is just easier to access.

It feels to me that Google is reliving its experience with messengers where you they have multiple competing roadmaps from different parties. The execution is disoriented and slow.

They will have to catch up in 2025, the fact grok is this good in one year is a wake up call to everyone, especially Google.

If they failed to do so, Gemini is going nowhere, it already has no tractions outside of Google, nobody’s first instinct when it comes to AI is Gemini

Re: Gemini Robotics

#108

Google is probably the most undervalued tech company there is currently, by far : 1.) Has cutting edge in house AI models (Like OpenAI, Anthropic, Grok, etc.) 2.) Has cutting edge in house AI hardware acceleration (Like Nvidia) 3.) Has (likely) cutting edge robotics (Like Boston Dynamics, Tesla, Figure) 4.) Has industry leading self driving taxis (Like Tesla wants) 5.) Has all the other stuff that Google does. (Like…

>Google is probably the most undervalued tech company there is currently, by far : [reasons] The only thing you left out of this analysis is their valuation. The market values Google at $2.05T (just over $2,000,000,000,000) which is 21 times their earnings (net profit). They are valued at $250 per person on Earth while selling, annually, $43.75 per person on Earth (sales) of which $12 per person is their profit. How…

$12 in gold this year and $12 * (1+x) next year != $12 flat every single year

Re: Gemini Robotics

#109

I read too much scifi, and almost none of it has updated on the current state of AI. For example spaceships swarming with low skill level crew members that swab the decks and replace air filters. Or depending on a single engineer to be the only one with the crucial knowledge to save the ship in an emergency. If scifi authors aren't keeping up it's hard to expect the rest of us to. But the macro and micro economic cha…

Strongly recommend murderbot diaries (starts with "All systems red").

Has a cyborg/AI as protagonist and paints a really interesting world with AIs and synthetic biology in it. Also does a good job at just shutting up about things it can not talk about, like interplanetary travel.

Re: Gemini Robotics

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I read too much scifi, and almost none of it has updated on the current state of AI. For example spaceships swarming with low skill level crew members that swab the decks and replace air filters. Or depending on a single engineer to be the only one with the crucial knowledge to save the ship in an emergency. If scifi authors aren't keeping up it's hard to expect the rest of us to. But the macro and micro economic cha…

> For example spaceships swarming with low skill level crew members that swab the decks and replace air filters. This is largely a function of what science fiction you read. Military SF is basically about retelling Horatio Hornblower stories in space, and it has never been seriously grounded in science. This isn't a criticism, exactly. But if you look at, say, the award-winning science fiction of the 90s, for example…

This reminds me of my favorite note [1] from Ursula Le Guin on technology:

> Its technology is how a society copes with physical reality: how people get and keep and cook food, how they clothe themselves, what their power sources are (animal? human? water? wind? electricity? other?) what they build with and what they build, their medicine — and so on and on. Perhaps very ethereal people aren’t interested in these mundane, bodily matters, but I’m fascinated by them, and I think most of my readers are too.

> Technology is the active human interface with the material world.

[1] https://www.ursulakleguin.com/a-rant-about-technology

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