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Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by chasd00 » Wed, Mar 12, 2025, 5:47 PM UTC

EncomLab wrote: post #7

GaggiX wrote: post #4

I'm waiting for the demo where it makes my coffee and brings it to me.

This is the "Wozniak Standard" (sometimes called the Coffee Test) - Drop an AI enabled robot in front of a random house and ask it to bring you a cup of coffee. The robot would need to enter the house, locate the kitchen, locate the coffee machine, locate the coffee, locate the filters, locate the coffee mugs, locate a measuring spoon - then add the correct amount of water, the filter, the correct amount of coffee, s…

I like that test. If the AI couldn't find a measuring spoon it would need to grab any spoon it could and just "eyeball it". Also, if there wasn't an actual mug then maybe a glass will work (but not a pint glass) and certainly not a plastic cup. When delivered it would have to know to say "couldn't find a mug so i grabbed a glass". there's other things too, can't find regular coffee but it found some instant coffee? The AI would need to decide if that will work or should it ask first. All of those things are petty easy for a human.

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by smileson2 » Wed, Mar 12, 2025, 5:48 PM UTC

Workaccount2 wrote: post #37

Google is probably the most undervalued tech company there is currently, by far : 1.) Has cutting edge in house AI models (Like OpenAI, Anthropic, Grok, etc.) 2.) Has cutting edge in house AI hardware acceleration (Like Nvidia) 3.) Has (likely) cutting edge robotics (Like Boston Dynamics, Tesla, Figure) 4.) Has industry leading self driving taxis (Like Tesla wants) 5.) Has all the other stuff that Google does. (Like…

Eh the government is about to nuke them

They are a roadblock to a lot of the startups backing the current administration

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by myrmidon » Wed, Mar 12, 2025, 5:48 PM UTC

sdenton4 wrote: post #32

pixl97 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stories for robots by robots "Will the security update finish before we're discovered and killed by the hunter seeker, stay tuned to find out more!"

Basically, Murderbot.

Murderbot diaries is sooo good.

It does such a good job building a convincing world, and its really good in just not going into details that it can't speak on (like how interplanetary travel works), while some of it's takes (e.g. small anti-personel drones) seem almost prescient after Ukraine.

All the synthetic biology and even the depictions of AIs and their struggles are really compelling, too.

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by mark_l_watson » Wed, Mar 12, 2025, 5:48 PM UTC

Workaccount2 wrote: post #37

Google is probably the most undervalued tech company there is currently, by far : 1.) Has cutting edge in house AI models (Like OpenAI, Anthropic, Grok, etc.) 2.) Has cutting edge in house AI hardware acceleration (Like Nvidia) 3.) Has (likely) cutting edge robotics (Like Boston Dynamics, Tesla, Figure) 4.) Has industry leading self driving taxis (Like Tesla wants) 5.) Has all the other stuff that Google does. (Like…

I agree with you, but even though OpenAI is much lower in my esteem than Google, I would give OpenAI slightly better scores in general on productization. In the last day I have played with Gemini functionality (see https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs) that I have not tried before, and I also played with OpenAI's just released openai-agents-python library. OpenAI's examples seemed a little easier to play with; that said Gemini product manager Jason Stephen reached out to me yesterday on social media in a very helpful way after I commented on Gemini's code execution sandbox.

On other similar products like Google's NotebookLLM and Open AI's GPT 4.5 Research Mode: both products are awesome.

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by forrestthewoods » Wed, Mar 12, 2025, 5:48 PM UTC

delichon wrote: post #13

I read too much scifi, and almost none of it has updated on the current state of AI. For example spaceships swarming with low skill level crew members that swab the decks and replace air filters. Or depending on a single engineer to be the only one with the crucial knowledge to save the ship in an emergency. If scifi authors aren't keeping up it's hard to expect the rest of us to. But the macro and micro economic cha…

> If scifi authors aren't keeping up

My brother in Christ, ChatGPT blew up just 25 months ago. Give it time.

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by jeffbee » Wed, Mar 12, 2025, 5:48 PM UTC

causal wrote: post #90

synergy20 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

really? just unsubscribed OpenAI today, was one of the first to subscribe, now it lost all its edge to me, so many options elsewhere, paid or free to use. OpenAI is fading away fast. Plus all major leaders left, Microsoft is leaving too, I don't feel its future is promising anymore.

That's fair. I would argue that OpenAI capitalized on transformer tech in a way that Google was late to do, but we shall see if Google will adapt faster than Xerox could

So far OpenAI has done nothing other than spend billions of Microsoft's dollars.

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by logicallee » Wed, Mar 12, 2025, 5:49 PM UTC

Workaccount2 wrote: post #37

Google is probably the most undervalued tech company there is currently, by far : 1.) Has cutting edge in house AI models (Like OpenAI, Anthropic, Grok, etc.) 2.) Has cutting edge in house AI hardware acceleration (Like Nvidia) 3.) Has (likely) cutting edge robotics (Like Boston Dynamics, Tesla, Figure) 4.) Has industry leading self driving taxis (Like Tesla wants) 5.) Has all the other stuff that Google does. (Like…

>Google is probably the most undervalued tech company there is currently, by far: [reasons]

The only thing you left out of this analysis is their valuation. The market values Google at $2.05T (just over $2,000,000,000,000) which is 21 times their earnings (net profit). They are valued at $250 per person on Earth while selling, annually, $43.75 per person on Earth (sales) of which $12 per person is their profit.

How much would you pay to own a golden goose laying $12 in gold per year? Like, $250? If so you are the proud buyer of Google right now. (There is a buyer on every sale of every stock and this is the price they are paying right now.)

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Mar 12, 2025, 5:50 PM UTC

swyx wrote: post #53

Workaccount2 wrote: post #37

Google is probably the most undervalued tech company there is currently, by far : 1.) Has cutting edge in house AI models (Like OpenAI, Anthropic, Grok, etc.) 2.) Has cutting edge in house AI hardware acceleration (Like Nvidia) 3.) Has (likely) cutting edge robotics (Like Boston Dynamics, Tesla, Figure) 4.) Has industry leading self driving taxis (Like Tesla wants) 5.) Has all the other stuff that Google does. (Like…

ah, HN, where a $2,000,000,000,000 market cap company (#5 in the world) is undervalued

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Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by bflesch » Wed, Mar 12, 2025, 5:51 PM UTC

Workaccount2 wrote: post #37

Google is probably the most undervalued tech company there is currently, by far : 1.) Has cutting edge in house AI models (Like OpenAI, Anthropic, Grok, etc.) 2.) Has cutting edge in house AI hardware acceleration (Like Nvidia) 3.) Has (likely) cutting edge robotics (Like Boston Dynamics, Tesla, Figure) 4.) Has industry leading self driving taxis (Like Tesla wants) 5.) Has all the other stuff that Google does. (Like…

Sounds like Xerox. They have everything, some employees will become multi-billionaires within 10 yrs after they leave the company and create their own startup. But I have zero conviction this corporate moloch will be the one to productize any of it.

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by gatinsama » Wed, Mar 12, 2025, 5:51 PM UTC

The problem with Google is that their ad business brings so much revenue that no other product makes sense. They will use whatever they learn with robots to raise their ad revenue, somehow.