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Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by synergy20 »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #37

Google is probably the most undervalued tech company there is currently, by far : 1.) Has cutting edge in house AI models (Like OpenAI, Anthropic, Grok, etc.) 2.) Has cutting edge in house AI hardware acceleration (Like Nvidia) 3.) Has (likely) cutting edge robotics (Like Boston Dynamics, Tesla, Figure) 4.) Has industry leading self driving taxis (Like Tesla wants) 5.) Has all the other stuff that Google does. (Like…

It hired a project manager to be the CEO, who has zero charisma comparing to other big companies(Tesla, Nvidia, Microsoft, OpenAI,Oracle,AMD, Apple, etc), that made the company "boring"

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by jeffbee »

spankalee wrote: post #50
Workaccount2 wrote: post #37

Google is probably the most undervalued tech company there is currently, by far : 1.) Has cutting edge in house AI models (Like OpenAI, Anthropic, Grok, etc.) 2.) Has cutting edge in house AI hardware acceleration (Like Nvidia) 3.) Has (likely) cutting edge robotics (Like Boston Dynamics, Tesla, Figure) 4.) Has industry leading self driving taxis (Like Tesla wants) 5.) Has all the other stuff that Google does. (Like…

On one hand, I agree with you, on the other, as a former Googler I think that "just needs better coaching" is a huge barrier in Google's current corporate culture and environment. Google as a whole has a long history of not being able to successfully build great products out of great tech. That seems wrong from looking at search, Gmail, Maps*, Docs*, etc., but I think these are cases where a single great insight or i…

Only disagree with the last part of your footnote. YouTube was acquired with an underpants gnomes' business model: spend $$$$ on network traffic; ????; profit! The "key advantage" that enabled YouTube was dirt-cheap global networking. And I think that is the thread that ties together all of Google's products. They are the protobuf moving company, first and foremost. Even on AI one of their key advantages is the ability to reliably and rapidly start training, literally they have blogged about their cutting-edge protobuf tsunami capabilities.

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by synergy20 »

causal wrote: post #62
soperj wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like Xerox, they had cutting edge everything in the 70s, did nothing with it. Or AT&T, with Bell Labs inventing Unix. Or Kodak inventing the portable digital camera in 1975.

Was thinking the same thing. In some ways OpenAI is the Apple to Google's Xerox.

really? just unsubscribed OpenAI today, was one of the first to subscribe, now it lost all its edge to me, so many options elsewhere, paid or free to use.

OpenAI is fading away fast. Plus all major leaders left, Microsoft is leaving too, I don't feel its future is promising anymore.

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by gessha »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #37

Google is probably the most undervalued tech company there is currently, by far : 1.) Has cutting edge in house AI models (Like OpenAI, Anthropic, Grok, etc.) 2.) Has cutting edge in house AI hardware acceleration (Like Nvidia) 3.) Has (likely) cutting edge robotics (Like Boston Dynamics, Tesla, Figure) 4.) Has industry leading self driving taxis (Like Tesla wants) 5.) Has all the other stuff that Google does. (Like…

Confusing "having the tech" with "having product-market fit" is huge here. If the company was so undervalued they wouldn't try juicing their search profits at the cost of enshitiffying their product.

> Google lacks is excitement and hype

People(me) used to look up to Google and the projects they had. 80/20 work/project time, moonshot projects, all the google perks, etc. It felt like the place to be. Fast forward 10 years, I just want antitrust to shatter it into smithereens.

> that veneer is just dusty

The problem is systematic, affecting the whole org from top to bottom and especially the top. They either get a new CEO that turns things around or become another IBM.

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by inetknght »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #37

Google is probably the most undervalued tech company there is currently, by far : 1.) Has cutting edge in house AI models (Like OpenAI, Anthropic, Grok, etc.) 2.) Has cutting edge in house AI hardware acceleration (Like Nvidia) 3.) Has (likely) cutting edge robotics (Like Boston Dynamics, Tesla, Figure) 4.) Has industry leading self driving taxis (Like Tesla wants) 5.) Has all the other stuff that Google does. (Like…

Google also has a shit reputation for privacy, a terrible (or worse) reputation for customer safety or resolution of issues, and all of that on top of psychopathic executives.

All of the technology in the world doesn't make up for that.

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by hlfshell »

spankalee wrote: post #50
Workaccount2 wrote: post #37

Google is probably the most undervalued tech company there is currently, by far : 1.) Has cutting edge in house AI models (Like OpenAI, Anthropic, Grok, etc.) 2.) Has cutting edge in house AI hardware acceleration (Like Nvidia) 3.) Has (likely) cutting edge robotics (Like Boston Dynamics, Tesla, Figure) 4.) Has industry leading self driving taxis (Like Tesla wants) 5.) Has all the other stuff that Google does. (Like…

On one hand, I agree with you, on the other, as a former Googler I think that "just needs better coaching" is a huge barrier in Google's current corporate culture and environment. Google as a whole has a long history of not being able to successfully build great products out of great tech. That seems wrong from looking at search, Gmail, Maps*, Docs*, etc., but I think these are cases where a single great insight or i…

Google is very much suffering from the classic Innovator's Dilemma [1]; a side effect of being too focused on stock price and not long term planning.

A better management with long term thinking would utilize Google's enormous base of talented engineers far better.

[1]https://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Pages/item.aspx?num=46

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by InitialLastName »

delichon wrote: post #13

I read too much scifi, and almost none of it has updated on the current state of AI. For example spaceships swarming with low skill level crew members that swab the decks and replace air filters. Or depending on a single engineer to be the only one with the crucial knowledge to save the ship in an emergency. If scifi authors aren't keeping up it's hard to expect the rest of us to. But the macro and micro economic cha…

Agency by William Gibson slightly predates the current AI bubble, but it does an interesting job of working an AI chatbot into its plot.

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by mhh__ »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #37

Google is probably the most undervalued tech company there is currently, by far : 1.) Has cutting edge in house AI models (Like OpenAI, Anthropic, Grok, etc.) 2.) Has cutting edge in house AI hardware acceleration (Like Nvidia) 3.) Has (likely) cutting edge robotics (Like Boston Dynamics, Tesla, Figure) 4.) Has industry leading self driving taxis (Like Tesla wants) 5.) Has all the other stuff that Google does. (Like…

The difference might be that Google isn't run by a founder.

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by Animats »

I'd like to see more about what the Gemini system actually tells the robot. Eventually, it comes down to motor commands. It's not clear how they get there.

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by causal »

synergy20 wrote: post #83
causal wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was thinking the same thing. In some ways OpenAI is the Apple to Google's Xerox.

really? just unsubscribed OpenAI today, was one of the first to subscribe, now it lost all its edge to me, so many options elsewhere, paid or free to use. OpenAI is fading away fast. Plus all major leaders left, Microsoft is leaving too, I don't feel its future is promising anymore.

That's fair. I would argue that OpenAI capitalized on transformer tech in a way that Google was late to do, but we shall see if Google will adapt faster than Xerox could
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