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Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by FL33TW00D »

fusionadvocate wrote: post #15

Robotics has been trying the same ideas for the last who knows how many years. They still believe it will work now, somehow. Perhaps it goes beyond the brightest minds at Google that people can grasp things with their eyes closed. That we don't need to see to grasp. But designing good robots with tactile sensors is too much for our top researchers.

Everything is an abject failure... until it works.

All the best ideas are tried repeatedly until the input technologies are ripe enough.

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by pixl97 »

mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #18
delichon wrote: post #13

I read too much scifi, and almost none of it has updated on the current state of AI. For example spaceships swarming with low skill level crew members that swab the decks and replace air filters. Or depending on a single engineer to be the only one with the crucial knowledge to save the ship in an emergency. If scifi authors aren't keeping up it's hard to expect the rest of us to. But the macro and micro economic cha…

The problem is it's hard to tell compelling stories without people.

Stories for robots by robots

"Will the security update finish before we're discovered and killed by the hunter seeker, stay tuned to find out more!"

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by sillysaurusx »

EncomLab wrote: post #7
GaggiX wrote: post #4

I'm waiting for the demo where it makes my coffee and brings it to me.

This is the "Wozniak Standard" (sometimes called the Coffee Test) - Drop an AI enabled robot in front of a random house and ask it to bring you a cup of coffee. The robot would need to enter the house, locate the kitchen, locate the coffee machine, locate the coffee, locate the filters, locate the coffee mugs, locate a measuring spoon - then add the correct amount of water, the filter, the correct amount of coffee, s…

That’s a very high standard. I’d fail repeatedly.

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by rowanG077 »

Anyone else is just not interested in deepmind? They keep releasing "breakthrough" after "breakthrough" with zero code release. I just checked and I still can't do anything with alphaproof, almost a year later. They might as well tell me they solved world hunger, can stop aging and discovered a way to travel FTL.

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Post by refulgentis »

fusionadvocate wrote: post #15

Robotics has been trying the same ideas for the last who knows how many years. They still believe it will work now, somehow. Perhaps it goes beyond the brightest minds at Google that people can grasp things with their eyes closed. That we don't need to see to grasp. But designing good robots with tactile sensors is too much for our top researchers.

I'm a bit confused.

Ex-Googler so maybe I'm just spoiled by access to non-public information?

But I'm fairly sure there's plenty of public material of Google robots gripping.

Is it a play on words?

Like, "we don't need to see to grasp", but obviously that isn't what you meant. We just don't need to if we saw it previously, and it hadn't moved.

EDIT: It does look like the video demonstrates this, including why you can't forgo vision (changing conditions, see 1m02s https://youtu.be/4MvGnmmP3c0?t=62)

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by ksynwa »

metayrnc wrote: post #2

I am not sure whether the videos are representative of real life performance or it is a marketing stunt but sure looks impressive. Reminds of the robot arm in Iron Man 1.

AI demos and even live presentations have exacerbated my trust issues. The tech has great uses but there is no modesty from the proprieters.

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Post by Gh0stRAT »

delichon wrote: post #13

I read too much scifi, and almost none of it has updated on the current state of AI. For example spaceships swarming with low skill level crew members that swab the decks and replace air filters. Or depending on a single engineer to be the only one with the crucial knowledge to save the ship in an emergency. If scifi authors aren't keeping up it's hard to expect the rest of us to. But the macro and micro economic cha…

Ian Banks' Culture series is the only one that comes to mind.

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Post by qoez »

mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #18
delichon wrote: post #13

I read too much scifi, and almost none of it has updated on the current state of AI. For example spaceships swarming with low skill level crew members that swab the decks and replace air filters. Or depending on a single engineer to be the only one with the crucial knowledge to save the ship in an emergency. If scifi authors aren't keeping up it's hard to expect the rest of us to. But the macro and micro economic cha…

The problem is it's hard to tell compelling stories without people.

Greg Egan is a master of this (making compelling hard scifi stories where the characters aren't the great american novel quality, still fine though).

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by sjkelly »

fusionadvocate wrote: post #15

Robotics has been trying the same ideas for the last who knows how many years. They still believe it will work now, somehow. Perhaps it goes beyond the brightest minds at Google that people can grasp things with their eyes closed. That we don't need to see to grasp. But designing good robots with tactile sensors is too much for our top researchers.

This is lack of impulse response data, usually broken by motor control paradigms. I reread Cybernetic by Norbert Weiner recently and this is one of the fundamental insights he had. Once we go from Position/Velocity/Torque to encoder ticks, resolver ADCs, and PWM we will have proprioception as you expect. This also requires several orders of magnitude cycle time improvement and variable rate controllers.

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by nolok »

delichon wrote: post #13

I read too much scifi, and almost none of it has updated on the current state of AI. For example spaceships swarming with low skill level crew members that swab the decks and replace air filters. Or depending on a single engineer to be the only one with the crucial knowledge to save the ship in an emergency. If scifi authors aren't keeping up it's hard to expect the rest of us to. But the macro and micro economic cha…

It's not that they don't keep up, and more that it's hard to make a truly compelling and exciting space opera story it you abide by the reality of physics. The reality of space travel and war will be much closer to the forever war than to the countless water navy inspired stories out there.
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