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Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google
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Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google
#92We need to be honest about what value Firefox really has left. Commercially, it's completely irrelevant. On big websites it doesn't even show up in the top 10 browsers and it's almost entirely absent on mobile. Site owners can readily ignore Firefox. Firefox is no longer a developer default. I'm sure some of us in our bubble have strong personal preferences but the entire dev ecosystem is chrome-based. Very advanced…
I use Brave and am satisfied with it. The occasional hassle involved in turning things off when a new unwanted feature shows up or when I have to install it on a new machine is worth it for uBlock Origin and the Chromium performance and compatibility.
However the theoretical downside of Brave is that as Google continues changing Chromium's codebase, there's incentive for them to make it harder and harder to maintain a manifest v2-enabled fork. Wouldn't be surprised if extensive refactors randomly happen that multiply the effort needed to merge changes from upstream while maintaining the v2 capability. And how motivated is Brave to do all this labor? At some point they're going to say the tax is too high, we have a nice built-in ad blocker anyway, just use that.
A well-maintained, funded, and focused Firefox would be a good thing for when that day comes.
Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google
#93Nah, Firefox devs: It's time to ditch Mozilla and fork it.
Maybe a new browser will rise from Firefox's ashes. Perhaps we should call the fork Phoenix?
For those too young to remember:
https://blog.mozilla.org/community/2013/05/13/milestone-phoe...
Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
Chromium is not a good alternative: 95% of Chromium commits come from Google. Or ... Chromium is the perfect alternative ... as long as it remains open source and privacy invasion can be easily stripped out of it. Let Google fund most of the development of a privacy respecting browser (i.e. Brave). And if it doesn't remain open source? Then it's time for a fork --- just like it is now with Firefox. Bottom line: If yo…
Chromium is also stripping manifest v2. Firefox isn't. Chromium is open source, but it's not an open source project. It's a Google project.
Exactly. Manifest v2 is the bullet case for why Chromium isn't sufficient. Also, we best not forget their efforts with web integrity
Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google
#95> Now is the time for Mozilla to take bold steps to reinforce its identity as a privacy-centric nonprofit Mozilla gave up that identity when it became an ad-tech company whose business model was to sell reports about the internet browsing habits of firefox users to advertisers. The problem was never Mozilla's dependence Google. The problem is their dependence on the surveillance of internet users. As far as I know Mo…
What kind of reports can they generate from the data they collect: https://searchfox.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/compone... ?
Searchfox? Not so fast!
Don't forget they load "studies" code using so called "normandy" mechanism..
Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google
#96Mozilla will never do so willingly.
Organizations always grow, since the entire point of an organization is to exist for the sake of its stakeholders. The bigger it is, the better for stakeholders.
Willingly burning 85% of your revenue and downsizing isn't something that stakeholders want.
Odds are Mozilla will simply die and their browser with it, since the Chromium based ecosystem is much more robust.
Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google
#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
Chromium is not a good alternative: 95% of Chromium commits come from Google. Or ... Chromium is the perfect alternative ... as long as it remains open source and privacy invasion can be easily stripped out of it. Let Google fund most of the development of a privacy respecting browser (i.e. Brave). And if it doesn't remain open source? Then it's time for a fork --- just like it is now with Firefox. Bottom line: If yo…
Chromium is also stripping manifest v2. Firefox isn't. Chromium is open source, but it's not an open source project. It's a Google project.
Firefox is open source, but it's not an open source project. It's a Mozilla project --- effectively totally funded by Google.
*When* Google asks them to remove manifest v2, what do you think they'll do?
Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google
#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
And that's precisely the problem people have been talking about for a decade now. If it was just the browser, maybe it wouldn't have lost 90% of its former market share.
Firefox lost market share because of factors outside their control. They'd have to have owned a popular OS or conglomerate of dominant web services.
They lost a lot of users because websites were getting heavy and Firefox used to be single-threaded when Chrome appeared and was blazingly fast due to its multi-process design.
I still vividly recall the frozen UI as another tab loaded or did work. And if one tab crashed they all went with it. Annoyed me every time.
After many years[1] they sorted it out, but in my view it's clear that's what really killed their momentum, as it was such a sacrifice to stay with Firefox compared to using Chrome.
[1]: https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/08/02/whats-nex...
Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google
#99We need to be honest about what value Firefox really has left. Commercially, it's completely irrelevant. On big websites it doesn't even show up in the top 10 browsers and it's almost entirely absent on mobile. Site owners can readily ignore Firefox. Firefox is no longer a developer default. I'm sure some of us in our bubble have strong personal preferences but the entire dev ecosystem is chrome-based. Very advanced…
How does Brave survive financially?
Re: Tell Mozilla: it's time to ditch Google
#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
Chromium is also stripping manifest v2. Firefox isn't. Chromium is open source, but it's not an open source project. It's a Google project.
Exactly. Manifest v2 is the bullet case for why Chromium isn't sufficient. Also, we best not forget their efforts with web integrity
Brave is based on Chromium and it still supports manifest v2.
Brave offers everything Firefox does and more --- like privacy by default (which Firefox could but won't do for obvious reasons) --- all without millions in direct Google payola.