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The Future Is Niri

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Re: The Future Is Niri

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Post by redactyl »

the_gipsy wrote: post #8

I would like to know, coming from a traditional tiling window manager, how does the shortcut workflow look like? For me the number one thing is having fixed shortcuts á la Super+[0-9] to go to specific windows / workspaces / essentially a specific program. If I can have that, and additionally solving the "worskpace management" problem as TFA described, I'm sold! Does it make sense to use "workspaces" like this with N…

I find I use Niri in a similar way to other tiling WMs, but instead of having one application per workspace, it lets me keep accessory applications clustered with the main ones. For example, my password manager lives in the same workspace (usually off-screen) as my browser. Whenever I need to generate a password or something, it's right there. Same with whatever accessory terminals I need in addition to my text editor.

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Post by [deleted] »

bilekas wrote: post #6

> The worst "street-cred" I have is that I've been using tiling window managers for thirty-five percent of my life: five years with Sway and two with i3. As the realization of those numbers (and my age) dawns upon me The author is ~21 and seems worried they're old ? I had a good giggle about that.. And then it dawned upon me how old I actually am.

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Post by strobe »

I thought moving from i3/x11 to sway/wayland but from this post is looks like screen sharing still not resolved yet completely on wayland. How much time is worth to wait until UX with wayland will be good enough to not worry about that kind stuff?

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Post by pona-a »

bsnnkv wrote: post #10

Unfortunately tiling window managers for Linux have become quite stagnant in terms of improving and iterating on workflows, which is probably why we're seeing more of the kind of sentiment expressed in this post lately (of course, the poor backwards compatibility story is not helping either) The Windows scene is definitely the place where the most interesting workflow advances in "traditional" tiling window managers…

Can you point to any innovative Windows tiling WMs and explain what "workflow advances" it makes? All I found was FancyWM, and it seems basically identical to i3.

Re: The Future Is Niri

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Post by 20after4 »

evanjrowley wrote: post #2

I've never tried Niri, but I'm interested. Recently I had a good introduction to the scrollable WM experience on GNOME with the PaperWM extension: https://github.com/paperwm/PaperWM

Niri is inspired by paperWM and it’s so much smoother. If you liked PaperWM then niri might be worth a look.

It does suffer a bit because it’s not built within the gnome environment. So niri is missing a few things that gnome provides “for free.” Niri leaves it up to you find replacements for some pretty basic functionality.

Some things it seems to be missing:

- Desktop notifications - App launcher - dock or any sort of list of running apps. - Xwayland (for seamlessly running x11 applications)

All of these functions must be provided by other separate tools that are not included with niri.

My biggest complaint is the lack of clipboard synchronization between x11 and Wayland. I guess that gnome handles this automatically but it’s not so in niri - Wayland apps have independent clipboard and inability copy paste between Wayland and x11 is very annoying.

There are workarounds but none that I’ve tried so far are satisfactorily convenient and reliable.

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Post by kisonecat »

bilekas wrote: post #6

> The worst "street-cred" I have is that I've been using tiling window managers for thirty-five percent of my life: five years with Sway and two with i3. As the realization of those numbers (and my age) dawns upon me The author is ~21 and seems worried they're old ? I had a good giggle about that.. And then it dawned upon me how old I actually am.

As a 40-something year old person who used ratpoison more than 21 years ago... Yeah, I feel super old now.

Re: The Future Is Niri

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Post by ollybee »

I've been using sway daily since before it was really stable and recently tried Niri but maybe couldn't get over the muscle memory from sway. I use sway mostly in tabbed mode anyway which gives a similar feel to a scrolling WM but with flexibility to break out to tiles in a different workspace if needed.

What has massively improved my workflow recently is vertical tabs in Firefox. I now have browser tabs I can cycle up and down through on side of my screen, and application tabs I can cycle through left and right at the top. I love it.

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Post by WillowWithAWand »

bilekas wrote: post #6

> The worst "street-cred" I have is that I've been using tiling window managers for thirty-five percent of my life: five years with Sway and two with i3. As the realization of those numbers (and my age) dawns upon me The author is ~21 and seems worried they're old ? I had a good giggle about that.. And then it dawned upon me how old I actually am.

Yeah when I did the math on that I was like "oh so you're basically a child!"

Re: The Future Is Niri

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Post by bsnnkv »

pona-a wrote: post #14
bsnnkv wrote: post #10

Unfortunately tiling window managers for Linux have become quite stagnant in terms of improving and iterating on workflows, which is probably why we're seeing more of the kind of sentiment expressed in this post lately (of course, the poor backwards compatibility story is not helping either) The Windows scene is definitely the place where the most interesting workflow advances in "traditional" tiling window managers…

Can you point to any innovative Windows tiling WMs and explain what "workflow advances" it makes? All I found was FancyWM, and it seems basically identical to i3.

I'm on a phone for most of today so I won't be making the kind of lengthy reply you're asking for, but you can check out komorebi and jwno if you're genuinely interested
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