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Mapping the University of Chicago's 135-year expansion into Hyde Park and beyond

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Re: Mapping the University of Chicago's 135-year expansion into Hyde Park and beyond

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Go to the museum of science and industry. And Powells. And the Oriental institute.

And Rajun Cajun. :)

I hear you, but I live in Atlanta. Now maybe if they found some way to do some sort of Indian - soul food fusion instead of every dish being clearly one or the other...

Re: Mapping the University of Chicago's 135-year expansion into Hyde Park and beyond

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> While the University has emphasized the positive impact the projects will have on the local economy, some residents are concerned about rising rent and how much benefit will reach the community as opposed to investors. What a non-issue. You have this massive development that's going to benefit your community and you're concerned because the people who actually contributed to it are going to benefit as well? The ent…

Anti-gentrification is a very strange confluence of extreme small-c conservativism and leftism. Quite the odd bedfellows.

Re: Mapping the University of Chicago's 135-year expansion into Hyde Park and beyond

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> While the University has emphasized the positive impact the projects will have on the local economy, some residents are concerned about rising rent and how much benefit will reach the community as opposed to investors. What a non-issue. You have this massive development that's going to benefit your community and you're concerned because the people who actually contributed to it are going to benefit as well? The ent…

> I've lived on one of the streets mentioned in the article and its hard to overstate how shockingly dangerous the area is.

The army used to train their trauma surgeons in Chicago because of the number of knife and gunshot wounds seen in the city's hospitals. From 2001 to 2021, there were about 1,000 more murders in the city than American soldiers killed in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Re: Mapping the University of Chicago's 135-year expansion into Hyde Park and beyond

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> I seem to remember a homeless fellow who used a key to extract some change from a vending machine that was surprisingly on UoC property and got a 12-year sentence. Well, there are two problems there: - Being in a school is not an aggravating factor (in reality; I'm not making any claim about the law) for that crime; - Stealing change from a vending machine shouldn't involve a 6-year sentence. But neither of those r…

It became a test case of whether there is a limit to punishments for crimes. Is a life sentence for littering constitutionally legal if there is a valid statute that says it is? The courts eventually up-ended the person's sentence somewhat and reduced it to the minimum available, 6 years. I don't know whether the person had already served over that time before his sentence was adjusted, but I would hazard a guess tha…

> It became a test case of whether there is a limit to punishments for crimes. Is a life sentence for littering constitutionally legal if there is a valid statute that says it is?

This can't be a correct description; a statute can't influence whether something is or isn't constitutional. They're different levels.

I tend to suspect that you're intentionally omitting whatever the case was actually about.

Re: Mapping the University of Chicago's 135-year expansion into Hyde Park and beyond

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> While the University has emphasized the positive impact the projects will have on the local economy, some residents are concerned about rising rent and how much benefit will reach the community as opposed to investors. What a non-issue. You have this massive development that's going to benefit your community and you're concerned because the people who actually contributed to it are going to benefit as well? The ent…

When you start talking about actual human people in terms of "getting rid" of an "anti-social element" you know you've got an issue figured out and are definitely on the right side of it.

700 murders and 10,000 armed robberies per year.

Re: Mapping the University of Chicago's 135-year expansion into Hyde Park and beyond

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It's not far from Englewood and New City (Back of the Yards / Canaryville). Some of the worst areas anywhere (although waaaay nicer than when I lived in Chicago 30 years ago). There was a race riot there in 1919: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_race_riot_of_1919

Even closer to woodlawn and the infamous o block, arguably the birthplace of Chicago drill. Blocks away from campus

Relevant: TIL that Chicago street gangs today identify themselves by song. By listening to what drill music (a Chicago form of gansta rap) is playing, youths can tell which gang's territory they are in, or even when gangs are working together.

https://np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/5t7ig0/til_th...>

A reply to the post:

>Drill rap, possibly the first genre of music that will end up disappearing because its practitioners have killed each other off.

Re: Mapping the University of Chicago's 135-year expansion into Hyde Park and beyond

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> While the University has emphasized the positive impact the projects will have on the local economy, some residents are concerned about rising rent and how much benefit will reach the community as opposed to investors. What a non-issue. You have this massive development that's going to benefit your community and you're concerned because the people who actually contributed to it are going to benefit as well? The ent…

>I've lived on one of the streets mentioned in the article and its hard to overstate how shockingly dangerous the area is Just anecdata. I had a family member living there for the six years, several addresses including their condo on Drexel Ave, one block from Cottage Grove (more or less the western boundary of campus proper). Their first child was born there, mom often went on long walks with the stroller to parks,…

I’ve lived in the neighborhood for over sixteen years and am raising a family there.

There’s a lot to say about the crime factor, and it’s complicated. I will say that it’s common to miss it if you don’t happen to witness it. Streets that look quiet, well-developed, and peaceful will suddenly become violent and then go back to normal as if nothing happened.

I also lived on Drexel for a few years. A graduate student was shot and killed nearby while walking home. Another night we witnessed a drive-by shooting while eating dinner. I’ve got a number of crime-related stories after living here that range in severity from “funny-in-retrospect” to “somebody died.”

Something that still strikes me is how crimes can happen right outside homes without anyone noticing. The University Police have a daily email list of “serious” incidents that I check - I’ll often notice a carjacking or home invasion within 500 feet of where I was taking a nap on my couch.

It’s a great neighborhood with a lot going for it, which is maybe part of what makes the crime issue so hidden. It doesn’t look sketchy or violent until it suddenly is.

Re: Mapping the University of Chicago's 135-year expansion into Hyde Park and beyond

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I just moved away from Chicago but it took me a few years to appreciate the city (and I never found visiting that compelling). I miss it now though, I think the best way to learn to appreciate the city is to go out and do things in the city and find the stuff you like. There is tons of great music, food, art museums, shows (especially improv, idk if the IO Theater is back running but the Improv Shakespeare that they…

The easiest bit of advice is to get out of the Loop; the city Chicago boosters won't shut up about is mostly out in the neighborhoods. Also: our real pizza is thin-crust.

Tavern style is what I always saw there (though I like deep dish). Also I'm surprised people always talk about deep dish pizza and not the clearly superior Chicago food: dipped Italian beef with hot peppers.

This is a bit of my own biases showing but I've found being very into deep dish or calling the loop "downtown" were ways to know who is new to Chicago

Re: Mapping the University of Chicago's 135-year expansion into Hyde Park and beyond

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> You can find pretty much anything there, the only thing I struggled with is I like the outdoors and there isn't good hiking (but Chicago actually has really good birdwatching in the city). Lincoln Park north is not what I would call "good hiking", but I think it's nice for those who like the outdoors. Good for daytime walks, large beaches, dog beach, bird sanctuary, some small natural areas, lakefront trail (paved)…

You don’t have to go too far out of the city - more than 10% of the county land area is forest preserve. Inside the city, the far northwest side (along the river) and the far south side (big marsh/beaubien woods) are probably the best bets. I know that the wooded section between the IC tracks and LSD from 47th street up to Oakwood/Pershing is a hiking trail very popular with birdwatchers. You can keep walking up to t…

Thanks for the tips!
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