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NASA to launch space observatory that will map 450M galaxies

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Re: NASA to launch space observatory that will map 450M galaxies

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This is so cool, but I did not see a key piece of info in the article: does the ongoing operation of this mission fall under NASA's science budget and therefore at risk of cuts and defunding under Trump [1]? [1] https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/03/white-house-may-seek-t...

This one is planned to launch on Falcon so I wouldn't be too surprised if it's one project the administration spares.

Sure, the launch will go through, but SpaceX doesn't see any recurring revenue from later operations, and I wouldn't put it past the current administration to cut NASA's budget such that continuing operations are affected.

Re: NASA to launch space observatory that will map 450M galaxies

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post #32

This is so cool, but I did not see a key piece of info in the article: does the ongoing operation of this mission fall under NASA's science budget and therefore at risk of cuts and defunding under Trump [1]? [1] https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/03/white-house-may-seek-t...

Trump created the Space Force so he will presumably want some amount of funding for rockets and what not. If Space Force fails it would make him look bad after all.

That really has nothing to do with whether or not operations for this project will be funded over the next several years.

Re: NASA to launch space observatory that will map 450M galaxies

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Unfounded, IMHO: Musk is obviously a factor in space exploration. Trump founded the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Space_Force Also, as soon as China starts to put people on the Moon before Artemis can, I doubt POTUS would let that slide...

I don't think it's unfounded. This mission is purely about science, in the pursuit of understanding our universe, and is unlikely to lead to any military applications (and even if it might, I doubt Trump et al. would have the foresight to see it).

From the Musk perspective, he wants to go to Mars. Anything that doesn't contribute to that goal could easily go on the chopping block.

Regarding China and the moon, this particular science experiment has nothing to do with that.

Re: NASA to launch space observatory that will map 450M galaxies

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It always surprises me how my enthusiasm for scientific discovery is affected by fears of a dystopian future. My understanding is that with red shift calibration here we'll get a much better idea of the 'when' in terms of various galactic structures emerged, that might give us an interesting idea of where we are in the life-cycle of the Milky Way. But the observation of water signatures will be the most interesting t…

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Re: NASA to launch space observatory that will map 450M galaxies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To answer three of your questions: - It is passively cooled rather than using an expendable coolant- "SPHEREx relies on an entirely passive cooling system — no electricity or coolants are used, simplifying the spacecraft’s design and operational needs." - It is a Medium-Class Explorers (MIDEX) mission - Investigations characterized by definition, development, mission operations, and data analysis costs not to exceed…

ah, I misread the Orbital Parameters on the wiki. that day-night orbit is also a LEO which makes it even more possible to do a manned mission for upgrades. Oh, wait, we no longer have a shuttle for those types of missions.

Even a Dragon could bring enough hardware and a crew for a small upgrade or repair (to say nothing of the upcoming Starship).

Re: NASA to launch space observatory that will map 450M galaxies

#47

To be honest, I was expecting Elon and DOGE to have completely gutted NASA by now, while at the same time allocating more contracts to SpaceX.

I'd imagine he's currently more focused on FAA to get them off his back about Starship issues.

Awarding new contracts doesn't require gutting NASA first, so he can get to it later once the FAA has bent the knee

Re: NASA to launch space observatory that will map 450M galaxies

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To be honest, I was expecting Elon and DOGE to have completely gutted NASA by now, while at the same time allocating more contracts to SpaceX.

They're working on it. NASA HQ has already cut their "Office of the Chief Scientist" (among others) and the current proposal is to cut 50% of the science budget (which would effectively kill it, it's already been squeezed).

Re: NASA to launch space observatory that will map 450M galaxies

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Do these missions ever build back-up hardware? What if the probe is lost because of a lunch mishap, or there is a malfunction during the deploy (see Viasat VS3 antenna deploy failure). It is an added cost, but it cannot be that much compared to the overall R&D/tooling/launch/ect cost.

Into the 1970's, NASA did that. That was why there was Viking 1 and 2, Voyager 1 and 2, Pioneer 10 and 11, etc. Since then, however, NASA has stopped doing that. It became a balancing act- yes, 0 to 1 is much more expensive than 1 to 2, (1 to n is not quite as cheap as it is with software but it's still much cheaper than 0->1), but NASA Science is in the business of answering questions. The question is, will building, launching, and operating (the expensive part) two Parker Solar Probe's and two Juno's answer more questions than building one Parker Solar Probe, one Juno, and one OSIRIS-Rex? Almost certainly the three different probes answers more questions than two copies of two different probes. So once launch vehicle reliability got to be good enough that the fear of total mission failure went down low enough (1), duplicate missions basically went away.

1: Edited to add: this is actually tied into the Space Shuttle in interesting ways. See T.A. Heppenheimer, _The Space Shuttle Decision_ for why the STS became the sole space launch system for all of the US Government. Of course if it's manned it's reliability has to be so high that you don't have to worry about loss of payload, so building two copies of it was no longer necessary.

Re: NASA to launch space observatory that will map 450M galaxies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This one is planned to launch on Falcon so I wouldn't be too surprised if it's one project the administration spares.

Everything launches on a Falcon these days. No one else can catch up in terms of safety cost or speed.

SpaceX is going to pass whatever company is launching Falcon in short order, leaving them in the dust
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