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Re: New tools for building agents

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I'm a bit surprised at the approach to RAG. It will be great to see how well it handles complex PDFs. The max size is far larger than the Anthropic API permits (though that's obviously very different - no RAG).

The chunking strategy is... pretty basic, but I guess we'll see if it works well enough for enough people.

Re: New tools for building agents

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post #8

They did not announce the price(s) in the presentation. Likely because they know it is going to be very expensive: Web Search [0] * $30 and $25 per 1K queries for GPT‑4o search and 4o-mini search. File search [1] * $2.50 per 1K queries and file storage at $0.10/GB/day * First 1GB is free. Computer use tool (computer-use-preview model) [2] * $3 per 1M input tokens and $12/1M output tokens. [0] https://platform.openai.…

So they're basically pivoting from selling text by the ounce to selling web searches and cloud storage? I like it, it's a bold move. When the slow people at Google finally catch up it might be too late for Google?

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post #5

A bit off topic but the post comes handy: can we settle the debate what an agent really is? It seems like everyone has their own definition. Ok I’ll start: an agent is a computer program that utilized LLMs heutiger for decision making.

an agent is software that does something on behalf of someone (aka software) I personally strongly prefer the term "bots" for what most of these frameworks call "agents"

Stick to the agentic nomenclature if you want at least a magnitude increase in valuation.

Re: New tools for building agents

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post #5

A bit off topic but the post comes handy: can we settle the debate what an agent really is? It seems like everyone has their own definition. Ok I’ll start: an agent is a computer program that utilized LLMs heutiger for decision making.

I think Anthropic's definition makes the most sense. - Workflows are systems where LLMs and tools are orchestrated through predefined code paths. (imo this is what most people are referring to as "agents") - Agents, on the other hand, are systems where LLMs dynamically direct their own processes and tool usage, maintaining control over how they accomplish tasks. https://www.anthropic.com/engineering/building-effectiv…

The problem with this definition is that modern workflow systems are not through predefined code paths, they do dynamically direct their own processes and tool usage.

Re: New tools for building agents

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swyx here. we got some preview and time with the API/DX team to ask FAQs about all the new APIs. https://latent.space/p/openai-agents-platform main fun part - since responses are stored for free by default now, how can we abuse the Responses API as a database :) other fun qtns that a HN crew might enjoy: - hparams for websearch - depth/breadth of search for making your own DIY Deep Research - now that OAI is offering…

for anyone that likes the Agents SDK, but doesn't want their framework attached to OpenAI, we're really liking PydanticAI[0].

0 - https://ai.pydantic.dev/

Re: New tools for building agents

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post #5

A bit off topic but the post comes handy: can we settle the debate what an agent really is? It seems like everyone has their own definition. Ok I’ll start: an agent is a computer program that utilized LLMs heutiger for decision making.

Even more off topic, does "heutiger" mean something in English that I'm unaware of? Google tells me it's just German for 'today' or 'current'.

Re: New tools for building agents

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post #29

I wonder why they phased out Pydantic in structured output for the Responses API.

Hey there! This is Steve here from the OpenAI team–I worked on the Responses API. We have not removed this! It should still work just like before! Here's an example:

https://github.com/openai/openai-python/blob/main/examples/r...

Re: New tools for building agents

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That should be a 403 then. Tsk tsk open ai

Technically it should be a 401. Tsk tsk IncreasePosts.

It's common (see: S3, private GitHub repos) to return 404 instead of unauthorized to avoid even leaking existence of a resource at URL.
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