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Federal workers ordered to return to offices without desks, Wi-Fi and lights

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Re: Federal workers ordered to return to offices without desks, Wi-Fi and lights

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Do you know what a lease is? I can explain if you need. This is like asking "Why does my car that I leased for 3 years still exist after 1?" Idk man.

I hope your leased car has a driver's seat and can be driven. Also, I hope you leased the car with your own money

> hope your leased car has a driver's seat and can be driven

Huh?

And what does my own money have anything to do with this? The leases were bought and then they had to pay. Are you implying people knew Covid was going to hit when they got these leases? It's hard for me to understand why this is such a complex thing to grasp. Particularly since it's been a focal point in our lives for 4 straight years.

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The rules of this forum dictate that participants can't make claims of astroturfing, so I won't make that claim. On a related note, I find it interesting that your comment is being downvoted while contributing to the dialogue productively. Inference is left as an exercise to the reader.

Wouldn't that be an example of brigading, rather than astroturfing? Or is brigading considered a kind of astroturfing?

Depends, brigading can be organic or artifical. Artificial brigading from a campaign of controlled accts would be proper astroturfing.

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The federal government is generally pretty efficient. They probably sold off surplus equipment. They definitely have been consolidating office space. It could be that the remaining leases were cheaper to keep than buy out, or that selling the buildings didn’t make sense. Regardless, there’s no reason for them to hire facilities people to maintain vacant space. Leaving furniture in those places would attract vermin, r…

> The federal government is generally pretty efficient. Then either Musk and Trump are lying about needing to focus on government efficiency, or some of the brightest and most brilliant minds that the American people willingly voted for are wrong.

Say it ain't so

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I saw few predictions of rapid collapse. Many predictions of slow or delayed reductions in revenue, active users, content quality, service quality, and ability to deliver new features. abeppu's argument was efficiency and health are not the same.

One off, politically driven reductions in advertisers and user groups is not caused by unhandled load from reduced workforce or implications of work from office policy. Despite this out migration, so far their health looks exceptionally good. They're running at 20% of original workforce (!). Just think about it (and I really mean it - taking aside personal dislikes, political views etc) – you have a company, you cut…

> One off, politically driven reductions in advertisers and user groups is not caused by unhandled load from reduced workforce or implications of work from office policy.

I think this is basically backwards; aggressive cuts and short-term revenue attempts alienated advertisers, casual users and influencers with large audiences. In particular:

- they abandoned content moderation, including flagging misinformation, hate-speech, and targeted harassment. This obviously saves money, b/c it eliminates systems and ML models that needed to examine tweets/messages and accounts in real time. These are adversarial problems, so you can't just create the model once and leave it alone; you need to pay a team to keep finding the current abusive patterns. But abandoning this means that you have a network where (a) any post you see is more likely to be manipulative misinformation (b) you will see slurs and hatespeech and perhaps receive them and (c) if you're determined to be in some way objectionable to an army of trolls, you may be endlessly harassed. So it's a kinda awful place to engage.

- they tried to sell blue checkmarks. This had multiple bad effects. It let any rando with a few dollars impersonate large companies and brands. This alienated those large companies who felt understandably burned, and it made casual users less trustful of content even that appears to be marked as legitimate by the platform. Further, b/c they were trying to force previously verified accounts from notable people to start paying them, they alienated celebs and influencers with large audiences.

It's not just that people who disagree with Musk politically were moving away from twitter in some slow-rolling boycott -- the choices Musk made have transformed twitter to a place where it's harder to get real information, it's hard to have a conversation with your community without being attacked, it's hard to curate your feed (Musk posts may be injected whether or not you follow him), and far from being a "free speech" paradise, it's one where a bunch of people don't feel safe engaging at all.

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Every Trump voter I know wanted exactly one thing: lower taxes. That’s it, at whatever cost. That’s the Republican base.

In some cases, like some small business owners, people living in some states with higher than average taxes, people paid more in taxes during his first term, due to his tax plan limiting deductions. Additionally, the next administration froze tax increases for people making under $400k. Harris campaigned on this as well. Again, I don't think people are stupid. I do think they'll say one some things in mixed company t…

> Again, I don't think people are stupid. I do think they'll say one some things in mixed company to hide their racism.

This continued labeling of all fiscal conservatives as racists is a key reason Democrats keep losing to an obviously crazy person. Nobody’s going to vote for the party which calls them a racist.

A lot of fiscal conservatives are “middle class” undecided voters who have mortgages and kids to worry about. Unsurprisingly they voted for the party who promised lower taxes over the one which did nothing but accuse them of racism.

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"Unsolvable" in the sense that there's no one magic algorithm you can use, sure. But every job has some ways to determine if the person in it is actually, y'know, doing it. And off the top of my head (and it's early, so YMMV), I'd say that remote jobs tend to have more easily-auditable products than many in-person-only jobs (particularly the type where the main purpose is direct interaction with the public). > If we…

Efficiency is perhaps not the right word, but I was under the impression that attempting to measure performance is a cost saving tactic. I think you lose the cost saving if you just double your engineers while keeping the same amount of work.

I mean, from a certain perspective, nearly everything management tries to do is a cost-saving tactic, but I wouldn't say that measuring performance is primarily about "cost savings". It's more about making sure that people are doing the job they were hired to do—which, on the face of it, is definitely a valuable thing to be doing.

The problem is when it's being used as a whip to get people to work ever harder with no more pay and no more support than before.

Doubling engineers while keeping the same amount of work is something that can increase resiliency—both in the engineers themselves and in the business. Making sure you have at least, say, 125%-150% coverage of all duties makes a huge difference in everyone's stress levels, and makes sure that if someone gets sick, gets hit by a bus, or just goes on vacation, their duties neither stop getting done, nor get piled onto other people who are already at 100% (or more) capacity.

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Many of them are trapped by work visas.

It's not just Xitter - it's Tesla, Starlink, Neuralink and BoringCo. among others. They can't all be trapped by work visas. While I have some sympathy for them, it diminishes every time their boss opens his mouth.

Absolutely - there are many who are actively complicit, and I don't mean to give shield for everyone.

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I hope your leased car has a driver's seat and can be driven. Also, I hope you leased the car with your own money

> hope your leased car has a driver's seat and can be driven Huh? And what does my own money have anything to do with this? The leases were bought and then they had to pay. Are you implying people knew Covid was going to hit when they got these leases? It's hard for me to understand why this is such a complex thing to grasp. Particularly since it's been a focal point in our lives for 4 straight years.

You are speaking with 100% certainty of the timelines. You don't know any details of these leases and are simply making assumptions. Even if your assumptions are correct, the pandemic officially ended 2 years ago.

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> hope your leased car has a driver's seat and can be driven Huh? And what does my own money have anything to do with this? The leases were bought and then they had to pay. Are you implying people knew Covid was going to hit when they got these leases? It's hard for me to understand why this is such a complex thing to grasp. Particularly since it's been a focal point in our lives for 4 straight years.

You are speaking with 100% certainty of the timelines. You don't know any details of these leases and are simply making assumptions. Even if your assumptions are correct, the pandemic officially ended 2 years ago.

> Even if your assumptions are correct, the pandemic officially ended 2 years ago.

You think the effects of a pandemic that literally stopped the world for over an entire year just goes away with the last case? I knew I was arguing with children on this site.

The pandemic pushed everyone home. The office buildings that were leased are no longer needed. And EVEN SO, you could make the argument that prematurely ending a lease when you weren't sure the biggest raging dipshit on this planet wouldn't get elected and force everyone back in (like he is doing right now) despite it being a really really dumb idea isn't that far-fetched.

You idiots will go to the ends of the earth to defend the absolute shitshow that is Doge and have this unbelievable need to believe that the government is chalk full of poeple who couldn't be bothered to make sure they weren't spedning millions on useless shit. GFTO

Read a book for christ's sake.

Re: Federal workers ordered to return to offices without desks, Wi-Fi and lights

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You are speaking with 100% certainty of the timelines. You don't know any details of these leases and are simply making assumptions. Even if your assumptions are correct, the pandemic officially ended 2 years ago.

> Even if your assumptions are correct, the pandemic officially ended 2 years ago. You think the effects of a pandemic that literally stopped the world for over an entire year just goes away with the last case? I knew I was arguing with children on this site. The pandemic pushed everyone home. The office buildings that were leased are no longer needed. And EVEN SO, you could make the argument that prematurely ending…

Have you read a single lease contract? Take your meds and read one
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