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The VPN service is probably the most sensible thing they could lean into. It's basically all margin and it works nicely with the privacy messaging.
> It's basically all margin Is it? Do you have a citation for this? From what I understand it's a white labeled Mullvad VPN, and I haven't been able to find numbers for what percentage of the revenue is taken by Mozilla and what percentage goes to Mullvad.
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Maintaining a fully compliant, secure, cross-platform web browser that competes with the biggest companies on earth absolutely is going to have costs like that. I think Mozilla Foundation receives something like 5 to 10%. I'm not against the argument that foundations can be bloated and inefficient, but at this point, this anti Mozilla narrative is completely out of control and almost purely speculation driven.
They spent $35 million in 2022 to establish a venture capital fund... they are definitely using a lot more than 10% for BS not related to developing Firefox.
There's also no cause and effect connection between the VC fund and their market share. It didn't siphon resources away from developers, and there's no such thing as a missing browser feature that would have restored all the market share had they simply not invested in a VC fund.
The 5-10% figure was in reference to 2021 but I think I was overstating that and the Mozilla Foundation actually gets something like 2% annually.
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This is a trap. Extensions can still block elements in v3. If you use Lite you probably won't notice much of a difference. But in the background, it will no longer be able to modify network calls. That means you are no longer being protected from tracking AND your web browsing experience is once again being slowed down by the loading of ads (even if you don't see those ads)
The difference isn’t just in the network calls, it’s the relinquishing of the blocking to Chrome itself. The Lite extension is essentially reduced to just providing a blocklist to Chrome, and hopes that Chrome will honor the blocklist. Google is surgically trying to dismantle adblocking, first by removing all the tools from the users under the guise of “it’s dangerous”, and then shutting it down by rendering them so…
it's also trivial for anti-adblockers to dynamically try alternative domains till they find one that isn't blocked.
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And developers can play a part in reversing that. It seems like it might already be happening: | month | Chrome | Firefox | Safari | | -- | -- | -- | -- | | Jan '25 | -1.29 | +0.07 | +0.84 | | Feb '25 | -0.75 | +0.08 | +0.03 | Note: Edge is also gaining. They use Chromium but their stance on Manifest v3 is unclear to me. So far they don't seem to have any plans to deprecate v2 support I know these numbers seem tiny,…
Microsoft intend to deprecate V2 and move fully to V3 basically as soon as they can, pretty much in lockstep with Google: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/extensions-...
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I love Kagi's Orion but it's still not good enough yet to switch off chrome completely. You realize this once you delve deeper, install extensions, and use it as your daily driver.
I'm curious what you're missing. I don't use many extensions, but it's been my daily driver for a year now, with minimal complaints.
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This kind of thinking appears to be prevalent. "Firefox does one specific thing which I construe as evil. Therefore I use the competitor which also does this thing, plus dozens of others which are anti-competitive and generally destructive to the ecosystem." "The coleslaw in the Jedi salad bar has raisins. Therefore I joined the Sith. Their coleslaw also has raisins."
You misunderstand. The vast majority of people who complain about Mozilla on HN are Firefox users. We're the ones with the highest level of investment in the idea of an open web, so we're the ones who've stuck it out until Firefox's market share is all but gone. But because we care so much, you'll also frequently find us on here complaining that Mozilla is drunk driving their company and does not seem to realize that…
I too am I Firefox user, I too am invested and concerned with, say, adtech. Somehow I've managed to avoid saying crazy things about VPNs.
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Edit: replying here because it won't let me add a new comment. I'm not making the positive claim in the VPN argument. It's puzzling why "based on no information" would cut in favor of an argument asserting VPN has unprecedented costs without substantiation but not against it.
Also, as I've already pointed out and the other commenter has (as well as commenters in previous threads whenever this comes up), what we know of ordinary costs to run VPNs would not imply any expense on the order of magnitude necessary to make the argument work. Which is a legitimate challenge to speculation that would presume otherwise without substantiation.
And once again I have to emphasize that this is completely detached from any cause and effect argument about what missing browser feature would have otherwise been developed but for the resources spent on a VPN. The idea that there's a legitimate open question about whether a re-wrapped VPN is costing millions or tens of millions in losses is not the reasonable argument you seem to think it is. And it's not because reasons, like the ones mentioned here.
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Edit 2: This was originally about whether the VPNs were a cost sink on the order of millions or tens of millions of dollars. But now it seems to have changed to whether the VPN generates enough revenue that it's a positive way to contribute. Not sure when that happened.
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#918Fortunately, at least so far, uBlock Origin Lite works perfectly fine on Chrome. I know people have made a lot of arguments as to why it might not be as good in theory, or why things might change in the future. But so far, ever since I was forced to switch, I have seen exactly zero difference. Lists are updated often enough that I haven't seen anything get through. Adblocking works on YouTube. If anything, pages seem…
It's also great to not give basically unlimited permissions to an extension.
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Funny you should mention that: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/mar/10/trump-tik... Yes, Tik Tok still needs to divest ownership or be banned in the US
I do hope that other countries ban american saas products which are not majority owned by that country.
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Yup. I understand that nerfing adblocking is definitely a big draw for Google, but Apple went the ManifestV3 route many years before, specifically to increase extension performance and privacy. Back then there was a big uproar too, but mostly because Safari extension developers charged for a new version because they had to rewrite the entire thing.
> specifically to increase extension performance and privacy This reasoning is so bogus that it’s hard to believe anybody could believe it in good faith. Ad blockers are essential for performance and user privacy and security. If Apple truly bought into this reasoning then they’d integrate an ad blocker like Brave does. Follow the money.
And Apple does care because later on they started to allow blockers to spread blocking rules over multiple sub-extensions. Initially they were limited on... 15 000 rules? Can't quite remember.